Alternatively, if your current phone doesn’t have a headphone jack, do you wish it did?
Why wouldn’t you prefer a headphone jack in your phone? It is yet another option for headphones that worst case you don’t use. The only reason it has been removed is because it saves companies a few cents on the cost to build the product.
They remove it to push people to use bluetooth, on iOS this means you wont disable it permanently and keep Apples tracking network alive. Not that nasty on Android but I suppose the same reasoning
I should have added, that for companies that sell Bluetooth headphones it also helps drive sales for those devices, particularly that is why Apple did it.
Yeah, Apple even bought Beats and immediately let the brand stagnate literally just so they wouldn’t have any competition in the marketing space. That kind of move basically confirms that other moves they did likely had similar rationale.
It’s possible that Apple is actually aiming towards their “portless phone” dream, and this death of the jack was just a step. But I’ll take it for the “we must employ the closest practice to profiteering as we can in the wireless audio space” aspect it appears to have.
I am curious when they want to buy Bose, as they are pretty much the most common headphones people wear around me
Eh… I’m not sure it has anything to do with AirTags and the find my network. They weren’t a thing until a couple of years after the 3.5mm jack was removed. It’s probably a benefit now, but I suspect most people don’t bother turning off Bluetooth anyway.
Interesting, I always keep Bluetooth off unless I’m using my BT headphones. Saves battery. I never took privacy into consideration
For sure, but I don’t think the average non-technical person messes with that at all. Privacy is technically a concern with wifi and Bluetooth on because your phone basically acts as a beacon, but there are some mitigations in place to switch mac addresses and stuff fairly regularly.
How exactly is that nasty?
It’s naaaaaaaasty.
More importantly it removes the expectation to include earbuds with the phone as well as allows them to sell you Bluetooth ones
Let’s be honest though, included earbuds were pretty universally garbage and the world is probably better off without the ewaste.
That said, please bring back the headphone jack.
One positive for me about the included earphones is they are great utility earphones for when I’m mixing/mastering music. They have a pretty flat and even response so it’s one of the devices I use to test my music on “regular” sound systems to make sure they sound good on all types of equipment.
Mostly true, yeah. The “AKG” ones that came with my S8 were honestly pretty damn nice though.
AKG ones were always great. I have a USB C pair from an old Samsung and they’re good too.
Yea I had a pair of those that I used for other phones, until I lost the pair.
I tried getting some “oem” ones from amazon but they weren’t the same
I’ve always been lambasted for this opinion, but I feel the same way about the charging cable and charger.
I do not want yet another 1 metre (if they’re even that, most likely 3 foot) USB-C cable that barely reaches from the charger on the floor to the bedside table - and largely precludes actually using the phone while in bed - nor particularly the included charger. So many things need to be plugged in these days that single-output chargers are also basically e-waste.
Of course because some business genius had the idea that making the USB cable 0.9 instead of 1.8m saved them $0.06 per unit shipped, we all got lumped with those useless cables.
Now of course there will always be people for whom it’s their first phone (or whatever situation), who do need those accessories. But all that requires is there to be a retail bundle with the now-accessory charger and cable. Preferably that bundle costs the same as the phone with them included does today and you get a token discount for the phone without them, although we all know it would never work that way :(
This is the real reason. The cost savings is negligible. But as soon as Apple got rid of the headphone jack, they introduced the AirPods.
Then Google did it, Samsung did it, and every other phone manufacturer followed suit. They all have their own wireless earbuds.
Fairphone did it too, of all the companies. Shows that the margins on these things are pretty big for Fairphone to do such a thing.
It’s why I’m getting a Zenfone to replace my ~6 year old phone now instead of a Fairphone. It even has a far better IP rating than the fairphone despite the “horrible” water intrusion supposedly caused by 3.5mm jacks.
Fairphones lying BS about why they removed the port convinced me to never buy one of their phones, even if I didn’t care about it.
Sony listened to their customers complaints and brought back the headphone jack for the 2nd generation Xperia 1.
Their phones continue to feature some of the best waterproofing (real world performance, and not just the rating they slap on it) in the entire industry.
That has never been a justifiable argument against the headphone jack, despite being an all-too-frequent one.
That’s why I buy the $20 straight from the Chinese factory ones, because fuck 'em
I really doubt this is the primary reason. I think it was multifaceted, but really the people in the business of designing phones were already using Bluetooth exclusively and felt that it was good enough. Some designs probably rushed it as a means to sell more premium headsets (Apple, Samsung), other saw it as removing an unnecessary redundant feature that was more prone to breakage and a waterproofing difficulty (Google). I think it really just came down to the personal preferences of the (affluent) people who were doing the designing, not necessarily a purposeful cash grab. It really was not great since wired headphones were way cheaper than their Bluetooth counterparts. Luckily Bluetooth has gotten much better and less expensive. I think there should be options for both.
Or they can include $20 wireless earbuds and say “Early preorder bonus earbuds, a $200 value if you ORDER NOW NOW NOW”
So many times I’ve forgotten my Bluetooth headphones or they’ve died and I always find some wired ones but can’t use them, or I can even go into a gas station and just buy some for $1.
Also my Sony headphones have an optional aux port to plug in, nice to use when they die because it doesn’t need battery, or if I want to plug into another device without having to pair everytime.
That sounds nifty, headphones that let you run BT and port as you choose? I didn’t know this existed, will keep in mind!
These are the one I have https://www.sony.com/ug/electronics/headband-headphones/wh-ch700n
I have very similar ones. Love em.
I had a pair of Sony headphones that could do the same thing!
Sadly, they were bad on both choices, BT’s battery didin’t last sh*t, and the wired input somehow reduced the volume (like, by a lot).
Just another thing I don’t use that takes up space and can go wrong. Same reason i don’t need it to have a cassette deck or 8-track player.
Oh, cassettes were just designed to go wrong altogether 😆
But while wired headphones are indeed “analog devices” they do not have any mechanical parts moving, so really if you take good care of them they can last a lifetime. (Unlike BT headphones with batteries with approximate estimations of life). 🤒🤕
Why wouldn’t you prefer a headphone jack in your phone?
I’ve seen some people literally say that they don’t want a phone with a useless hole in it (in fact, it was said right here on Lemmy not long ago), whereas others claim that not having a headphone jack == bigger battery. Some, like Fairphone fanboys in particular, have gone as far as claiming that removing the headphone jack reduces e-waste…
Credit where it’s due, Bluetooth headphones have come a long way. I like the ones I have now. That said, removing the jack and micro SD slots was extremely anti consumer and they should come back.
My issue with BT isn’t quality it’s the cost and the battery. I do have a very nice pair that I enjoy on occasion but I have another set of wired headphones that I use sometimes 12 hours a day at work. BT headphones would quickly wind up in the garbage under those circumstances since batteries are wear items with limited charge cycles and once they go bad, they render the rest of the device useless.
I also don’t like having another device that needs charging or that’ll leave me ‘stranded’ because I wasn’t monitoring the charge close enough and it died.
I don’t think we should be forced to choose one or the other. Both have advantages and we should get a real choice as consumers. Currently I’m limited to low spec’ed phones if I want 3.5mm or high spec’ed with no 3.5mm (and no SD card and no replaceable battery). It’s a shitty choice all around.
Yeah, I mostly use bluetooth with my phone but not always. Sometimes it’s not possible and you just need to use an aux cable or wired headset.
nope, actually never used it. i’ve had and will continue having Bluetooth headphones
Once you get decent Bluetooth headphones it’s a game changer, especially since consoles are starting to support them
especially since consoles are starting to support them
Are they? I thought the BT lag made them not fit for gaming. That’s the reason why Sony’s Pulse 3D headset for PS5 uses wifi. I haven’t tested any of this, I’m just repeating what I read.
There are low latency codecs available
I haven’t had any issue with latency on phone, multiple laptops, or switch.
This is the stated reason why Microsoft uses their proprietary wireless standard for Xbox controllers (which have Bluetooth, but not for the Xbox console itself) and headsets - but I haven’t had latency issues using bluetooth headphones on my PC.
Now, I know that in a lot of cases, Bluetooth doesn’t have the bandwidth necessary to do high quality bidrectional audio - so it can’t receive and send audio (microphone) without falling back to a very low quality profile, which results in cruddy audio. Not sure if this is an issue that has been fixed though. If not, I can’t imagine anyone would want to game and participate in voice chat using that as it sounds horrible.
Maybe 10 years ago
Same here. I have a charger at home and work. If I travel, I bring a charger. I’m a responsible adult who knows when to charge Bluetooth headphones. I personally don’t have a need for a 3.5mm jack.
Buuuut, I’ll fight for fucking ever to keep them on phones. I should not be the only demographic on phone construction.
This is my first phone without a headphone jack.
I miss it dearly.
I feel you there. I had to get a new phone ASAP after breaking mine on vacation a few months ago. Didn’t even think to check the specs because I was in a pinch and completely forgot some android manufacturers started dropping them since my last phone purchase.
Pretty much all Android manufacturers… :(
Some manufacturer dropped them? I think at this time you can count on the fingers the smartphone models that still have a headphone jack. I miss it so much
Same. I had to choose between jack and sd card slot and storage space won out.
“VPN user voting is not allowed”
Lol.
Guess I don’t count
Nah, once I made the switch to Bluetooth 8 years ago or something. I have never gone back.
Actually I did once between Bluetooth headsets and the first time the cords got tangled I was like oh right that’s why.
They’re fine if you’re just listening to music or watching videos but they’re totally unusable for gaming. The latency is just too high.
A jack is an absolute must have for me and if a phone doesn’t have one I’ll use a USB-C dongle.
This poll kind of sucks for data gathering. You ask two different questions but there’s only one set of answers. Even the first question alone asks if we use and/or require, which should be separate.
To answer though: I use my headphone adapter whenever I travel but don’t have a regular headphone jack. A jack is not absolutely required for me to purchase a phone but the adapter is.
Agreed, I wish the poll had more question entries than the one (with more granular answers).
Yes, because fuck having to charge and monitor another battery and the way they are trying to push higher price and disposable device.
Why isn’t there an option for “the lack of a headphone jack is a complete deal breaker and I refuse to even consider a phone that doesn’t have one?”
This. After my first Android phone I had only gotten Nexus phones. I had a Nexus 6p when the Pixel was announced, and it wasn’t going to have a headphone jack. I tried multiple dongles with my Nexus 6p, and none of them both reliably worked with my headphones and fast charged my phone. My wife ordered a Pixel, I ordered a Note 9.
I’ve gone Note 9, then a One Plus Nord v10, and now an Asus ZenFone 9. Every time a manufacturer ditched the headphone jack (or made it only available at ludicrous price), I just switched manufacturers. I don’t even use a headphone jack that often, but when I need it I want it to be there and just work.
That’s “yes” without being extra
I hate that I now have to use wireless earbuds that I now have to worry about charging, or that go flat at the most inopertune times…
Having something plugged into the usb-c port all day sounds like a recipe for a broken port.
That’s what made me get bluetooth, I tried walking around with that dongle thing and I had to treat my phone as if it was made out of glass (wait, you know what I mean)
“Having something plugged into the usb-c port all day sounds like a recipe for a broken port.”
And having something plugged into a 1/8th inch jack all day isn’t?
The longer jack makes it less likely to break. It also spins freely so doesn’t suffer from rotation stress.
If my aux port breaks, that’s annoying, if my usb port breaks it’s e-waste.
Nice bullshit poll making ‘Yes’ the pre-selected choice and clicking an other option not changing it, even when its highlighted. Dragging choices is absolutely counterintuitive and actively misleading. Lets start a poll if people like murder and wonder about the 50/50 result at the end.
Jesus it’s just a simple poll with almost zero reach. Nobody is going to sneak into your house and install a headphone jack into your phone while you’re sleeping.
Thats not my point. A poll usually serves the purpose to gather information. If you know from the start the outcome is completely useless, why even start it in the first place?
Unless… 😏
Holy shit that’s terrible Ux. I voted incorrectly. No wonder Yes had so many votes compared to the comments.
The poll setup isn’t nearly as important as the fact that OP asked two completely different questions in the poll.
Not to mention it doesn’t even let you answer lol. It freezes after 5 seconds
Yes! No.1 reason: microphone quality! I have to attend many calls every day and no Bluetooth headset (BT v.4 > 5.3, SPS, AAC, LDAC) has even come close to the simple quality of a ~25,-€ wired headset.
The poll/voting process is flawed & I don’t like that.
That said, idk, I’m a blue collar working adult & the aux/wired connection isn’t a necessity in my daily life. I can often, if not always, blast my music on an Ion loudspeaker. Car has Bluetooth. Home, I’ve got Bluetooth.
But that’s just not the point for me; my phone has an aux port & I rarely use it. Used it to connect headphones on a walk last week. It’s nice & I like having the option. Getting rid of it was purely an anti-consumer move, so needless, and obviously they can build it into the phones without detracting from battery or taking away from water resistance. Everything I’ve heard justifying removing aux is either a lie or an excuse.
I do prefer to use a headphone jack when my phone is the source of music for my amplified sound system and large room speakers.
Bugger, how did I not think of that!
Phones aren’t great media hubs though
I’m not a fan of BT headphones. It’s three things (2 pods and the case that charges them) that you have to juggle and keep charged, vs just one that works whenever the device it’s plugged into works. Wired headphones have a nice additional perk of discouraging people from interacting with you, while (at least anecdotally) the BT ones seem to lose that deterrent… and the venn diagram for times I want to use headphones and the times I don’t want to deal with other people is just one crisp circle.
I always try to pick out a phone that has a 3.5mm jack, but that’s becoming increasingly hard to do.
