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  • The article literally states that it’s the lack of job opportunities because of the lack of transferable skills and having to only fill gaps in the job market, the pandemic, and the bad economy that’s causing them to go back. I’m just relaying what the source is saying, I’m not making or changing any story. The only person who claimed I was saying it’s the root issue is the other person I was replying to. I never said so even in my first comment. I have no idea how or why you think I need to project.

    If you think I have some agenda about turning this into an HK-China debate, then I’m sorry but it’s you who’s projecting. It’s so weird how people on here are so hostile and defensive when someone is just pointing out details written in the source article.







  • Yup, I am not claiming it is the root issue, just that I think it’s one of the reasons for their struggles, based on the examples given by the article, and because I can relate. Native born people in the UK having the same issues certainly show it’s not limited to immigrants, so it’s not a specific issue that’s special to HK citizens moving to the UK, it’s a global issue that happens everywhere where people move, and some move back because they can’t find good opportunities. And while the author presumes (for some reason) some of the respondents are not telling the truth, the survey results did say 99 percent of those interviewed do not plan to return.


  • Not sure if you caught my last edit before you replied, but there is certainly basis for my assertion, like the lawyer and doctor examples and the article stating that some had to take lower pay jobs because of lack of opportunities/vacancies and having to only fill gaps. Another example from the article is the teacher, whose qualifications might be a gray area because of different educational systems, so it may or may not be transferable. The article is the source of my assertion, because it literally points out that it’s the lack of job opportunities, the pandemic, and economic downturn that’s causing them grief. Tech workers definitely have an edge there as those skills are universal, and in that case it boils down to availability of jobs.

    Another basis of my assertion is my own lived experience. I work in tech, so it was relatively easy to transfer my skills and my employer just had to prove I could fill the job vacancy. My sibling who is a lawyer doesn’t have that same opportunity because their degree and title are not recognized in other countries. My other sibling on the other hand is a RN in our home country, and by getting qualified via the destination country’s affiliated-bodies, they are able to transfer their qualifications to at least caregiver status and work in that kind of job, which is lower pay, but still a job.

    I’m not claiming lack of transferable skills is the core issue, I’m just saying it seems to be a factor based on what is stated in the article. The article mostly highlights lack of job opportunities after all.


  • Right, transferable doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be highly educated or skilled, just that there are opportunities available for that skill that need to be filled. Hence it was also mentioned in the article that the lorry driver who moved had no issues finding a similar job with the same pay. Sometimes it boils down to what opportunities are available, not necessarily how educated or highly skilled you are. Another example the article states is that professionals like doctors and lawyers who obtained qualifications from UK-affiliated bodies had it easier. Those who didn’t obtain those qualifications have skills that aren’t immediately transferable due to having different standards in HK and UK. So a lawyer in HK for example can’t just go to the UK and immediately practice there. Some doctors may transition to nurses because of lower requirements.


  • It is worth noting that the ones who chose to return had the unfortunate circumstance of not having transferable skills and ended up working low paying jobs compared to what they had at home. Most of the people who had transferable skills have good paying jobs and are living comfortably. Most of the people surveyed also said they did not wish to return. I’m guessing someone who chose to move did not like their present circumstances in the first place so it’s not surprising that the majority want to stay.









  • You understand wrong. I am an immigrant myself and literally experienced what I said. I merely recounted my own experience and the hoops I had to go through to be admitted into the country and be allowed to stay permanently. I have first hand experience of what the USCIS requires and checks in order to be granted work visas and the entire lengthy and expensive process to get permanent residency if you’re coming from a third world country. You are literally asked in application forms if you’ve ever applied for government benefits and how much debt you currently have, because that raises flags for them. You also have to prove your skills by showing evidence of the work you’ve done and what special skills or knowledge you have that a local can’t otherwise do. I’ve been denied a visa once just because the consular officer wasn’t convinced that my skills were special enough. It was a long drawn out process just to get admitted in. Oh and you also need to undergo a medical exam because they want to make sure you don’t have any serious issues that can potentially make you a burden to the healthcare system.

    So before accusing someone of arrogance and bigotry, make sure you actually know where the person is coming from. I am not against immigration at all. I am merely explaining how the government picks and chooses who to admit into the country through their standard immigration processes. Show me a first world country that doesn’t have those requirements (except for asylum seekers). I’ll wait.