A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more… Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn’t. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user’s trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.
Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn’t well received on either side, so this was soon undone.
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
I think this is the most fair shakedown I’ve seen so far
Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…
Yeah, I didn’t mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.
I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.
I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don’t blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO’s existence. Nevermind NATO’s history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.
Right, people are treating it as sports where you have to either cheer for one side or the other.
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Last I checked, what actually happened was that Ukraine was plunged into a civil war after US ran a coup in 2104 that overthrew the democratically elected government.
Russia was invited into the conflict by LPR and DPR which it recognized independence of. This follows the precedent NATO set in Yugoslavia where it recognized breakaway regions and intervened on their behalf.
This is really a non-sequitur but I have zero idea how people choose to upvote it downvote anymore. You and I were in agreement and somehow I got upvoted and you got downvoted? I don’t get it
lol, I have a following of a few very angry liberals on here :)
My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren’t directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn’t change the fact it’s annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.
You know whataboutism isn’t an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism “well the IRA also does bad things” right?
In my view, having consistent moral standards is a prerequisite for having an honest discussion on any topic. If anything, the actual whataboutism is pointing fingers at other countries while refusing to acknowledge what your own country is doing. People should focus on fixing problems at home and holding their own governments accountable first and foremost because that’s where they have most agency.
This is what people who you accuse of whataboutism point out. Focusing on countries you don’t like and talking about how bad they are when your own country does the same things simply serves to deflect attention and to create the impression that your own society is somehow better and more enlightened. This is how the west often justifies the atrocities it commits.
getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we’ve had problems with all crowds.
“whataboutism” does not mean “you’re never allowed to point out a double standard”
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I don’t even really think it’s that they don’t see that point, it’s that they don’t want the US intervening in any more conflicts because the US always picks that side that’s closest aligned with their own capitalist/imperial goals, and the struggle for worker solidarity is the dominant dialectical struggle they’re interested in. If the US showed any interest in assisting a socialist project be successful, they might feel more comfortable with the US’s involvement, but that’s historically not been the case (nor would that make sense in that particular dialectical materialist worldview).
Yeah by pro Russia they meant pro current governement of Russia, aka Putin
They’ve beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone
Blahaj zone had a problem with chasers that we did not want in our safespace
What is “chasers”?
straight people being horny for trans people. I love my allies, but I don’t want them that close.
More accurately cis people being horny for trans people in an objectifying way.
There are unfortunately gay chasers.
This is true too
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
even the anarchists are pro soviet at least lol, I love my comrades
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you’re still a hexbear 🤢
Gods yes, it’s all I’ve ever wanted. Do they do birthdays?
No, celebrations of any kind are western propaganda. Your question has been audited and was found to have negative implications towards the state. Shock troops have been dispatched to your most recent location, have a great day, comrade.
holy fuck I laughed out loud at this outside by myself at ten to 1am … I didnt know what hexbear was, soooo, I reported a post for saying that anyone who ever supports a democratic candidate in america needs to be hit by a truck, and that violence needs to befall them, so the mod I reported it to posted my username and announced I had reported it in a comment to that post. people then piled on saying how I was a hypocrite and deserved violence brought against me, because violence has been done by cops agains homeless and trans people. also, that all I care about is getting brunch
What kind of brunch were you eating at the time?
bottomless mimosas bitches!!
Like mainland 9gag with a veil of solidarity.
For the majority who don’t know, 9gag is a Hong Kong based meme recycling organization run by people who are equally intolerant of lactose and melanin.
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20 percent of hexbears user base is trans. I dont know why liberals feel so comfortable misgendering all of them when they say shit like this.
Also, because you called them alt right, equating them with the alt right: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Where was the misgendering in that comment?
Literally claiming trans people aren’t actually trans and are just faking it as part of some conspiracy is misgendering.
Trans didn’t even get mentioned in the comment. ಠ_ಠ
“Faking lgbt support” we’re mostly lgbt.
[press “x” to doubt]
Weve all spent three years faking being gay and trans for your amusement, yeah. We even went as far as to code in mandatory pronouns next to display names to own the libs. /s
Imagine being so conspiracy brained that you say such incredibly insulting nonsense.
Okay, and I’m still confused on where “faking LGBT support” implies anti-trans? You’re literally seeing things that aren’t there.
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You know how you can misgender trans people by claiming that they’re faking being trans right? That’s what it comes down to when they claim we aren’t supportive of lgbt people/faking being lgbt.
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Any solid proof of that or just self reports?
Do you want to see their genitals or what? This happened way before the exodus and federation.
I’m a trans hexbear user, are you going to accuse me of faking?
We’re just interested to see if there are statistics around that support your claim that
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans.
My B, that’s lemmygrad https://lemmygrad.ml/post/723191?scrollToComments=true
Ask lemmygrad folks whether hexbear or lemmygrad has more trans users. Theyll say hexbear. Lemmygrad doesn’t even have pronouns listed in username as default and they have 20 percent trans users.
No, but trump is a communist and I have loads of proof.
Trump is literally a billionaire, how could he be a communist? and you’re a troll.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay? Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Trump is so broke he can’t pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay?
This is standard rich asshole stuff. The point is being a billionaire is antithetical to being a communist.
Hopefully he’s in prison one day for all he’s done.
Hopefully he’ll be executed.
Wow, someone clearly is totally propagandized, the evidence is right there and you simply ignore it. Wow, lib moment 😮💨
I don’t believe you.
Donald Trump is a communist and he said you’re wrong. Sorry.
These accusations specifically are always so wild from you libs. Blue anon through and through.
Any arguments or only name calling?
They’ve decided a radically inclusive, three-year-old community of lefties who were here well before there was any serious activity on Lemmy are secret fascists who only pretend to be heavily LGBT for laughs. How are you supposed to respond to that? It’s hugely insulting and absurd on its face.
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
You sound like such a lib
Donald Trump is a communist.
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Equating fascism with communism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
I’m not equating anything here, Donald j Trump is a communist.
Don’t like it? Shouldn’t have drank all that kool-aid. That’s right, you’re propagandized for disagreeing with me!!1
former redditor spotted
Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.
Monomouse
Duodugong
Traye-aye
Quadferret
Pentacoyote
Hexbear
Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well
Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.
quadferrets copulating
That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.
Youre quite right, rookie mistake by me. You would think a Polyphylogenonomist would know better.
However, wouldnt it be more accurate to say that the actual number of sides in any given copulation configuration containing n polygonimals would be n*(sides per polygonimal)-(n-1)? Assuming we exclude tricopulations of hexbears where any given individual may be contacting two other individuals’ sides at the same time in a tessalation layout? I must admit im not certain though, my field is polyphylogenomics, not polyphylogenomatics. Im sure there are some edge cases Ive missed, pardon the pun.
My bad, I was thinking in terms of simple intraspecies pairing like they taught us as undergrads. Once you get into polypolys and tessellations the math is frankly beyond me. Well spotted though.
Wtf are you guys talking about
Polygonal phylogeny
Yes, googling offers nothing, but I’m probably just being goofed on
Try the Polygoogle. The regular non-euclidian google has a history of censorship when it comes to polygonal phylogeny
I didn’t even think to recommend Poogle. Thank you!
Polygonal phylogeny
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place
Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.
They vote on who to Federate with
They’re whitelist for federation, yeah.
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).
haha democracy without voting
Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.
Since when do people in China not get to vote for their representatives?
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Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country
There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.
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what the hell are you talking about
every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?
I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.
:D I’m recognized
I call for the death of bigots, not people lol
Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s
Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?
Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.
you don’t seem to have an ideology besides repackaged liberalism
Typical lib argument.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
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thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.
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I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.
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China isn’t fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don’t have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.
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Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
Can confirm, was an edgy leftist teenager on hexbear right when it was started – after r/chapotraphouse was banned.
They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Horseshoe theory
Horseshoe theory is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
It’s like 90% a meme
There were no indications that you were joking, I’ll leave my comment up for other people who missed it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
rules based international order
What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.
the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
You literally said this
They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right
You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?
Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.
Hey! I’m the guy people avoided conversations with and I take offense to this comparison.
People who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That’s all you really need to know.
Uh hello, it’s called jacktivism.
I like where this is going
Oh right! I thought that was… uhhh … something else
you’re thinking of jackitvision
Is that the one that makes you go blind?
you’re thinking of jacksepticeye
We need a new name for the ol Reddit switcheroo
Hold my naked blade, I’m going in
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
Can you provide some examples?
I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You’ve seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the “dunk tank” that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you’re kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with “just trust me bro” is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they’re assholes. While you may think this isn’t worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren’t some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and “”“shitposting”“” hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It’s legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that’s enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
For anyone curious:
Source for the thread where that image comes from.
The whole thread is pretty eye opening to be honest. Especially the top comment.
Best point I’ve read made here.
I’m also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn’t bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don’t interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
It’s not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/
It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Lol what, who on hexbear is elevating trump, this is a hilarious take.
Also just gonna leave this here https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.
Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn’t have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.
If you want more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yikes-new-behind-the-scenes-book-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-123303/
Can you show me where this post was on Hexbear?
Also yeah the Clinton campaign fucked itself in many ways, trump just being one that we all get to deal with on a daily basis still
we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.
A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
See @[email protected] in this very thread:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
Identiy politics is so silly. It’s possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it’s possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi’s, it’s possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
“I am x-identity” is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
I don’t think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
But THEY DON’T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU’RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Fucking BINGO.
These suxbears are just trying to do a psyop. They aren’t good at it either. Xi could have trained them much better is all I’m saying.
Aren’t you the guy who admitted earlier you were lying about them just to stir shit?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3381095 (scroll down to the bottom)
Is your shit thoroughly stirred?
My inbox sure is. Keep the brain-drain flowing my way.
Also, Donald Trump is a communist.
Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No.
People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don’t feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.
They’re aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they’d probably be like “hell yeah, send him in.”
*I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you’re defederated
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
Because they’re done. They’re a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I’m a bigot.
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say “trans people bad”.
If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn’t good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we’re being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don’t get too uppity
There it is, rabid dog behavior.
You give the conservatives everything they need hexadyte.
They’re a man or woman now
This is why, this statement means that you don’t view trans people who haven’t “finished transitioning” as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won’t write an entire essay on why but here’s just a small bit to chew on: consider that a “finished transition” is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state “finished” or they could consider it a continual work in progress.
Also,
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people.
The idea that pointing out someone’s transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.
Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven’t analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of “allies” who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.
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I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
thats bigoted you fucking godless removed
I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.
They’re tankies. End of story.
This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.
People don’t put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn’t die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
THIS https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense
Is a much better receipt. User doesn’t understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn’t understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don’t understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he’s going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that’s a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
It’s kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
The purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.
I would respect you more if you had more interests than disliking these people.
You don’t dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don’t think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.
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I hope you didn’t cry about it
Lol, that’s because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they “accidentally found this on all” and then descent on it like locusts (but they’re totally not brigading!!!1!)
Here’s one of their mods:
SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?
and guess what
Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
Oh wow, there’s more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it’s so sad that it is completely different.
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet
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I haven’t really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies…so there is that.
Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.
While I don’t agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
For sure, I’m not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.
You want to form your own opinion, so go check it out.
I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.
At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.
I’m sure a lot of people just think your a sea lion.
Why would we treat you bigoted removed with any sort of dignity. You do not own the right to my respect, we give it to those who earn it.
I don’t really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I’ve seen haven’t been too bad though I’ve heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with “you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions”
Many of them call for the imprisonment and death of everyone that disagrees with them who they label as fascist.
It’s because a lot of Lemmy admins are actually on the take from dumbass tankies. Actually the two Lemmy devs are tankies too, or so the word on the street says.
No one wants to even consider that, though.
Yeah it’s such a terrible suggestion, or maybe just like do that?
Who said I wasn’t also doing that? It’s not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people’s sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
I thought the problem is that we wouldn’t shut up, or are you lying again
Did you reply to the right comment lol this makes zero sense
we do not shut down discussion
You are not a hexbear, nor are you a moderator
If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they’re a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having “Stalinism” in their username
who said i’m trying to be subtle? Its not my style.
I am a hexbear, double passport.
Technically I mod the trans sublemmy on hex, but I have a little music sub on this account too. I dont care too much for it though, its all 1s and 0s.
Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people’s filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion… Glad to hear you think it isn’t
I thought it was a stupid assumption on their part that I wasn’t also poking around myself
Do your own research
Saved anyone that might float in at this point the read.
Yes that’s why science progresses the fastest when nobody’s collaborating and everybody starts from scratch
… Wait
Ah yes because opinions on people are a science
Sounds like you expect a bar to never kick out annoying people because then the other customers didn’t get a chance to form their own opinion
No? Because a bar isn’t a good metaphor and people can be shitty and it’s really easy to see for yourself on the Internet
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Hexbear is also filled with authoritarians which isn’t very funny but still offensive
Sure, but to my point: if you don’t know or are unaware of the kind of humor associated with their core userbase, you might not be able to tell the difference at face value.
I maintain the best way for the uninformed to try and understand Hexbear users is to learn about or listen Chapo Trap House regardless of your politics/agreement. It puts a lot of their antics into context.
You have the politics of a slug
my problem with this thread; u can’t tell who is actually communist and authoritarian, and who is just authoritarian
The difference is whether you get sent to a concentration camp or a gulag.
Oh, I guess they are pretty similar…
Uh, depending on the concentration camp, not really.
I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Working your slaves to death sometimes, sure, but you mostly came out the gulag alive.
Broken, but alive. Historians estimate that of about 20 million people sent to the gulags about 1.5 million died in them.
Which is a horrific example of compliance through terror but not quite the same thing as an extermination program.
Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.
Just for information the death count of gulags is largely unknown. Russia itself says its 1 million but pretty much all other sources say its too low to be even believable. There are credible sources for 1.5 to 8 million deaths (also non-credible sources that go much higher). Unfortunately unlike the nazies, soviets did not really have record keeping at all so all sources are estimates based to prisoner and guard writings. Another factor that makes estimates hard is the practice of when a prisoner was near death they would be shipped home, a lot of those never made it home but don’t count as killed by a gulag.
There was also mass deportations from satellite states that weren’t sent to gulags presumably but that’s a different thing.
Right, and it’s hard to decide how to account for someone crippled for life, or otherwise permanently altered, but the 1.5+ million is the best sourced claim we have.
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Just be aware that the term concentration camp was used long before the NSDAP created their destruction camps. smithsonian
Sure, but the commenter had a very specific set in mind and it’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
past definitions don’t mean shit when their meaning changed
I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Neither did concentration camps:
"Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years’ War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.
The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.
The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.
Thus, “depending on the concentration camp.”
And you know which ones he meant.
No, I don’t know which ones “he” meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven’t understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.
Sure bro. You’re making an honest argument in a comment chain that has used the phrase “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.”
Fuck all the way off, this isn’t Facebook, people know what you’re doing.
This comment chain doesn’t have the words “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.” in it, and you don’t know shit about anything, go back to facebook.
I’m also not your fucking “bro”, asshole, get lost.
Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
Didn’t .world preemptively defenderate from them?
Yes, they did. Are they going to admit .world couldn’t handle being told they wrong and had a big sook instead now?
Is sook a regional slang term? I tried to look is up, I guess it’s a crybaby?
Don’t you mean, you tried to sook it up?
sorry.
Hah! Never be sorry about puns!
I was specifically talking about them federating with shitjustworks for a day. But .world overreacts to shit all the time so I don’t think that was the gotchya you thought. I’m a lemmy supporter not a specific instance supporter.
Oh no, please don’t go…
.world did first you lying scum
Lol can you whine more? I’ve had a long day and your writhing is really helping me.
You’re welcome
I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is
It’s a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.
I’d like to meet these people. I wonder if they’re real.
My theory is that they are just russian bots
AI’s gonna make this tricky :S
I hope that’s all but there’s a lot of people on this planet and plenty of them are insane.
That’s an entirely deranged theory
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating
“Add in that they support authoritarian dictators and don’t like the gays”
Left-wing social site (might be fedi, never bothered checking) for leftists who are way too edgy for mainstream leftist communities.
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
Pure garbage. Don’t waste your time.
I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.
I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.
Tankies are politically incomprehensible, because they claim to be queer-friendly communists, but support insanely queer-phobic bourgeois dictators like Xi and Putin.
They are vulnerable to the same online radicalization as alt-right bubbles. They say things that get increasingly insane, because it gets them more and more internet points and attention, until they start believing their own outrageous hyperbole.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire. Like we’re living in Star wars and he’s the rebel alliance that is bringing down with evil empire with lemmy shitposting.
At this point we need to assume they’re Russian shills and the queer-friendly stuff is a ruse to have a fallback to always claim the moral high-ground
I 100% believe there’s Russian shills in the mix, but I think most of them are normal people who are frustrated with the status quo, and vulnerable to aome targeted manipulation. It’s also exactly how Russia targeted the alt-right.
They accused the blahaj.zone admin of “defending a transphobe” and their instance “unsafe for LGBTQ+” people.
The admin in question is trans and blahaj.zone is named after an IKEA shark plushie that’s become an icon of the trans community.
For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire.
Why are you posting your Ls lmao
I mean, he’s making the US sound 100x more badass than it actually is. Who’s taking the L there?
Being an empire isn’t badass, it’s just bad.
Bad at losing because you’re a global hegemony that pulls all geopolitical strings.
Yes, that’s bad.
It’s funny to trace rhetoric back a few years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when there was so much Internet and social media hype over Russia as a superpower, their military overtaking America:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Russia military US before%3A2020
Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.
And suddenly tons of internet media commentators do a massive 180, and there’s so much rhetoric about how being a global superpower is bad.
Is being a global superpower bad, or do people say it’s bad just because Russia isn’t one after all?
I have to ask… Is DMV.social related to the actual DMV?
It stands for DC, Maryland, and Virginia.
