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Summary
China has intensified its crackdown on erotic fiction writers, particularly those creating danmei (gay romance/erotica), with over 50 arrests in Anhui province since June 2024.
At least 10 individuals have been sentenced, with penalties reaching up to 4.5 years in prison. Many writers published on Taiwan-based Haitang Literature, which has faced disruption.
Under China’s strict laws, earning over 250,000 yuan (~$34,500) from such works can result in a life sentence, though reduced sentences are possible if profits are repaid.
Critics argue the campaign undermines freedom of expression and inflates sales figures to justify harsh punishments.
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Does China want weird sex fetishes, because this is how you start forcing people underground into weird sex fetishes they wouldn’t have otherwise been exposed to. Winnie Xi Pooh bear is absolutely out of his hot dog eating mind. Interesting to see the blowback in 3-5 yrs…
But we’re totally fine with this. After all, some guy tied a Japanese model at some point and now all BDSM people really like that. So I’ll keep an eye for the next big thing. Both eyes probably… In the morning, 6am, before a good shower.
Tankies boutta call every single person whos gay on this earth a capitalist pig…
Tankies don’t ever show up in these threads because they know this is indefensible.
Nah, they’re just over at the crosspost thread: https://lemmy.ml/post/24456592
Their main point is that, as the article states, erotica is outlawed whether it’s gay or not. They weren’t ‘arrested for writing gay erotica’, they were arrested for writing erotica. Obviously that’s also a controversial position, but it’s a very different one to the false homophobic position implied by the headline.
That thread is fucking depressing. Glad I blocked that instance. Also the tankies are, as usually, trying to defend the CCP because they have 95% approval rates in their rigged elections, so the people, according to them, support the government, and at the same time stating that the Chinese youth is more progressive and opposes the government actions.
This are some very interesting mental gymnastics.
to be clear the 95% approval rate has nothing to do with their elections and comes from a harvard study. If anything a study from harvard is likely to be biased against the approval rate being high, no?
Furthermore I have seen no evidence that their elections are rigged, you might have it, that would be very useful for me, could you provide it?
I will look into the approval rates and the mentioned study(I think I found which one you meant) later this day. However in terms of elections its quite easy.
China has a one party political system. This means, that there is no opposition. All members that may get elected to any position are picked by the CCP. All elections must adhere to the ruling of the CCP. The ruling of the CCP is part of the Chinese constitution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China
This doesn’t sound the slightest like a free democratic election. Also you have to take into Account, that The CCP controls everything, including propaganda. I havent found that much about manipulated elections in china(search engines suck nowadays), but will look into it later too.
China has a one party political system. This means, that there is no opposition. All members that may get elected to any position are picked by the CCP. All elections must adhere to the ruling of the CCP. The ruling of the CCP is part of the Chinese constitution.
How is this different from not allowing political parties at all, which is what the founding fathers of the US wanted, exactly?
I’m not arguing with you because i’m pro-china, I just don’t think that argument would land on someone who was pro-china. Furthermore that’s not evidence that the elections are rigged, i’m looking for evidence of poll-tampering, y’know, clear signs that the people did not choose which candidate won.
What is the process the CCP uses for choosing these delegates? I can’t find any information on that, that would be useful to have, i’ve been looking around for quite a while, articles have been unhelpful.
This doesn’t sound the slightest like a free democratic election.
Can’t this easily be said about the US with the whole electoral college thing?
Pretty sure the founding fathers of the U.S. didn’t want presidents for life.
The law itself is homophobic…
Which clause?
I’m learning more by the day that .world’s issue with tankies is driven less by any of their actually problematic behavior than by this growing pseudo-mythos where users seem to treat them as a sort of online bogeyman. More often that not, I’ve seen “the tankies sure are going to hate this!” where no actual tankies ever appear. It’s just lazy engagement, plus “tankies” becoming Lemmy-speak for “leftist who I disagree with (or challenges my preconceptions in a way that makes me uncomfortable)”.
Checking out the comment thread, as of the time of this writing, I see one “but US bad too!” moron, a few .ml users with fairly reasoned responses (regardless of if I agree or not), and a few geniuses, including the OP there, looking to start shit and acting surprised when they’re called out on it.
Seriously every thread it’s the top comment, but there’s never any actual tankies in the thread. I feel like I’m in the McCarthy 1950’s whenever I’m looking through .world threads lol.
.world threads are far enough left that many of us would have been imprisoned under mccarthyism. Tankies do exist, which I know from interacting with them, and simping for authoritarian regimes is not leftism. Tankies don’t challenge my preconceived notions any more than nazis… they just don’t.
Nah dude, didn’t you hear? Tankies off lemmy spoiled a whole US election
most tanky positions are indefensible. and yet, they try to defend them anyways.
The extra sad thing is that China isn’t even “tankie-socialist” anymore, much like how the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore.
Me, a chad communist China supporter: Mao was good actually
You, virgin president of China: in this house we stan Deng, and Marx was wrong about class
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If gay erotica is a threat to your way of thinking, then your way of thinking is pathetically fragile.
The gay are too powerful for their fragile minds!
What is with authoritarians being so afraid of gay people?
They want all that sweet juicy cock for themselves.
Scapegoats.
Why address the real problems facing working people when you can just blame the gays/immigrants/women/drugs.
Anything but addressing the elephant in the room: the disparity in wealth keeps growing everyday.
Move the battlefield to one where the outcome doesn’t affect you and you’ll never really lose.
Plus, while you’re winning, it being a normal thing will mean you’ll get plenty of blackmail material on those who it does affect but who also prefer the connections that staying on your side gives. And you can prosecute your opponents that openly defy the ban.
Accepting gay people requires an open mind. An open mind can undermine an authoritarian society
Accepting gay people requires an open mind.
Unfortunately, this isn’t true. It might be true for some number of the first people, but after that it’s just another thing people learn to accept because they were told to. That’s why even after homosexually become relatively accepted, you still had so much bigotry against bi people, and it’s why nowadays you still have so anti-trans people - a lot of whom would call themselves “open minded” just because they are accepting of gay people.
It’s more than that. Denigration of homosexuality and transgender identity is inextricably linked with patriarchy. The means by which queer people are oppressed is tied very strongly to notions of gender hierarchy. They push biological gender essentialism and homosexuality as unnatural and dangerous specifically because it places heterosexual cisgender men in the highest social position possible. It allows them to benefit from the exploitation of women and queer people as much as possible. Queer people are less directly useful to them, and so they are generally very overtly violent and genocidal towards us. Trans people in particular are targeted as if one can change their gender, if gender is not innate, then it undermines the superiority of cisgender men over cisgender women. Men cannot biologically innately be superior if women could become men, in essence.
Also they arent producing fresh meat for the grinder.
It really doesn’t have much to do with gay at all, but rather different than the norm which makes it an easy target to blame and punch down on. Hitler went after trans and gays first too, same with the fascists in power in the US today.
Quite literally a tale as old as time.
No, Hitler went after communists, socialists and trade unionists first. The whole reason the nazis were given power was to destroy the Left wing which had almost overthrown the bourgeois industrialists in the years after WW1. Ernst Rohm, a gay Nazi leader, was in charge of the night of the long knives when the Nazis cleared the ghettos of communists, socialists and Jews.
Homosexuals entered the crosshairs a year later when Hitler decided his good friend Ernst was a bit too close to power, which is why homosexuality became a crime to be purged over.
Presumably part of China’s new “Less Wankies, More Tankies” policy.
get ready folks, shit like this is going to start happening in the US.
They’re already banning porn in general in red states. It’s already begun.
If they banned gay porn in the US, what would Republicans secretly beat off to?
We banned cocaine and they still sniff it like it’s the sole source of oxygen.
gay porn is counterrevolutionary, read theory 🙄
JUST READ MARX!
Gays of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains!
What if they’re into chains? Don’t kink shame.
Well, I was talking about metaphorical chains, the literal ones are okay.
I don’t understand how authocracies are so popular everywhere. What is wrong with the freaking world?
People are stupid. The powers that be have a vested interest in making stupid people think they’re correct while taking power away from the smart ones.
They’ve been very successful. We pride ourselves on our stupidity and ignorance now.
When liberalism fails, people look for alternatives. Historically speaking, the lower classes move towards socialism, and the owning classes adopt fascism to protect their privileged position from socialists. Apart from some important exceptions, libertarian forms of socialism generally haven’t been able to prevail, while one-party states have built third-world countries into superpowers more than once, which makes for an appealing role-model, especially in countries where the system beforehand was a monarchist dictatorship or US puppet pretending to be a democracy.
It doesn’t help that the US and West kept destroying socialist countries. Imperialism means every socialist covert is in siege mentality until the last capitalist, imperialist superpower is gone.
People are increasingly relatively poor within their own societies particularly compared to the wealthy and ultra wealthy increasingly visible on the internet.
Charismatic autocrats have done a good job falsly directing blame for this to socialists. It’s maddening to behold people basically cheering for their own chains.
People are indoctrinated into being vulnerable to authoritarianism very early, it’s a big part of the major religions. Now the vulnerability is being targeted with more and more serious exploits.
The headline and the article itself are written in a bit of a weird way. From what i have read on that article and some others, 50+ were arrested, 10 of them at least had published gay erotica, but does not seem that they are targeting only people that write gay erotica. Not trying to excuse them or anything, its all pretty bad, but the headline seemed intentionally misleading once you start reading the article.
I’m not sure what LGBTQ Nation is on about separating 10 people from 50, but the SCMP is pretty clear that dozens were arrested for publishing danmei. They do also mention that publishing erotic materials in general is prohibited, though.
I don’t think it’s being intentionally disingenuous. Changing the word “arrested” to “convicted” makes the headline entirely accurate to the article.
So… would this book be prohibited?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1005150.Chinese_Erotic_Poems
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Lol the downvotes. ‘No, don’t undercut my propaganda. they must be doing it because homophobia!’
China just wants to keep its organ harvesting industry going. Each of those accused will walk out of prison in 5 years with one kidney.
Who’s gonna be the one to crosspost this to the tankie instances?
It’s there on another comment. They claim all porn, even erotica is banned, so this is good.
Honestly banning erotica is absurd, but it’s a fair remark.
Does anyone have a primary source? I’m compiling an anti tankie document and want to steel man it but can’t find it in the article.
How do you do my fellow communists?
I’m an anarchocommunist, not a tankie.
I have never posted a pro-tankie opinion across all my accounts. Feel free to look!
Feel free to look for pro-tankie comments? Why would I look for that, I really want to see your anticommunist comments, where are they? Other than what you wrote above, throwing your lot in with neo-McCarthyism.
I’m not a Stalinist or subscribe to any “tankie” views either, though what those views are is determined by the aims imperialism so that could change. But I sure as hell don’t waste my time with “anti-tankie” documents, there are actual problems beyond some 14 year old Hexbear calling you a liberal
Feel free to look for pro-tankie comments? Why would I look for that, I really want to see your anticommunist comments, where are they? Other than what you wrote above, throwing your lot in with neo-McCarthyism.
If you’re going to bother accusing me of something, feel free to find it.
“Let me be clear, I am not a tankie, north korea is an evil, authoritarian state that needs to go down”
^^is literally on the first page of my comments. But you didn’t bother reading them, did you? Awfully weird thing to do.
But I sure as hell don’t waste my time with “anti-tankie” documents
ok buddy i don’t care what you do in your free time, tankies are extremely bad for a movement i care about and it’s a passion project for me. China is not composed of 14 year olds on hexbear calling me a liberal.
I am a communist, so, there aren’t any real anticommunist sentiments beyond anti-tankie ones.
Okay so reading your comments you are clearly very undereducated when it comes to what I would consider basic knowledge of communism. I guess that’s okay, I called myself a communist or a socialist when I was knew nothing too. And to be clear, I woke up in a foul mood, and you seem to have irritated it, so I’m sorry for being an ass.
But communism isn’t something you believe, its something you do, and messing with tankies only helps the liberals. You should want to educate others about communism, but you don’t understand it; so your very communist urge to educate is good, but the subject you are concerned with is a liberal bugbear. I don’t doubt there are fake “tankies” on social media, its well documented that right wing groups try to infiltrate the Left, as well as state/military/police all have large social media teams used to manipulate public opinion. But taking this on as a project you are just becoming the dialectical opposite of a “tankie”: a bourgeois liberal, which is 1000x more bloodthirsty and destructive of an ideology. Because when you fight something without understanding it, you just become its dark reflection, or many times you become the thing you are opposing. This is apparent because you keep thinking I’m accusing you of being a tankie, you’re so worried you’ll get confused with them you engage in your own grassroots form of authoritarianism, underwritten by bourgeois liberals.
There are real Stalinists, and I have disagreements with them (and they can’t stand me) but they at least are trying to move away from liberalism (except when they become liberals per the mechanism described above), whereas your path to “communism” is just moving you closer. I stand with Stalinists on picket lines, in meetings, in actions, just as a function of the similar work we are doing. Stalin would have purged my ass, but they stand in actual solidarity with workers. What are you doing writing about “tankies” as your passion project? Which is funny since on your beehaw acct you just copy paste the same 3 paragraphs when discussing tankies, so i dont think you actually don’t care about writing or understanding anything.
I will never stand next to you with the work you plan to do, because I don’t stand with liberals against the boogeyman. So I just think you should either stop calling yourself a communist or actually start trying to do the work to become one.
Seriously, imagine making an “anti-tankies” document after Trump was elected and we’re on the verge of fascism in the US, UK, Germany, France, and Canada. There are higher concerns and communists like those are always on the front lines fighting fascism.
Tankie Obsession: an Infantile Disorder (and its not a wonky translation, I mean they have the political education of a baby) by V.I. Lenin
Okay so reading your comments you are clearly very undereducated when it comes to what I would consider basic knowledge of communism. I guess that’s okay, I called myself a communist or a socialist when I was knew nothing too. And to be clear, I woke up in a foul mood, and you seem to have irritated it, so I’m sorry for being an ass.
You don’t know what I have and haven’t read. Can you show me an area where I misunderstood theory? This just sounds baseless without that.
But communism isn’t something you believe, its something you do, and messing with tankies only helps the liberals.
Messing with tankies? No, correcting the record helps both, communism and self-criticism go hand-in-hand.
You should want to educate others about communism, but you don’t understand it; so your very communist urge to educate is good, but the subject you are concerned with is a liberal bugbear.
You have no idea what i’m concerned about, what my document is like, or my level of education, these are weird guesses. It would be more effective to demonstrate where I have spread a misconception.
But taking this on as a project you are just becoming the dialectical opposite of a “tankie”: a bourgeois liberal, which is 1000x more bloodthirsty and destructive of an ideology.
I can do more than one thing at the same time, i’m pro-communism, part of making communism palatable is rejecting tankiesm.
Because when you fight something without understanding it, you just become its dark reflection, or many times you become the thing you are opposing.
This is exactly why I’m working on creating a steelman.
This is apparent because you keep thinking I’m accusing you of being a tankie, you’re so worried you’ll get confused with them you engage in your own grassroots form of authoritarianism, underwritten by bourgeois liberals.
Yes, I misunderstood you, no, that doesn’t logically follow. Tankies are a bad branch of communism, just like anarchomonarchists, they need to be critiqued, because their methods are fundamentally wrong. That isn’t anticommunist, refining communism is the most communist thing there is.
There are real Stalinists, and I have disagreements with them (and they can’t stand me) but they at least are trying to move away from liberalism (except when they become liberals per the mechanism described above), whereas your path to “communism” is just moving you closer.
I agree that stalinists trying to move away from liberalism is a good thing, but stalinism is fundamentally broken because of its authoritarian methods.
I stand with Stalinists on picket lines, in meetings, in actions, just as a function of the similar work we are doing.
Same here, that doesn’t mean i can’t criticize them.
Stalin would have purged my ass, but they stand in actual solidarity with workers. What are you doing writing about “tankies” as your passion project?
Talking about the part where they would’ve purged you. The fewer stalinists, the better communism looks.
Which is funny since on your beehaw acct you just copy paste the same 3 paragraphs when discussing tankies, so i dont think you actually don’t care about writing or understanding anything.
Ok. Show me what’s wrong with what i’ve said instead of just saying i’ve said something wrong. You can quote me. It’s weird that you’d resort to vague insults and not do this when your intention is “educating”
Yes, I clearly misunderstood your intention, but I am a communist, and it’s not like all i’m working on is anti-tankie writing. I understand your concern as a communist on “anti-communist” writing. But I think you’re misguided in your beliefs of what I want. You seem to believe criticising communism means that I am pro-liberalism, for some strange reason.
I will never stand next to you with the work you plan to do, because I don’t stand with liberals against the boogeyman
it’s weird that you’d say this while turning me into a boogeyman. I don’t stand with liberals.
Whatever, i should have just left it alone. I don’t get why you go to every instance taking the name communist, and then engage in a form of anti communism. You give power to our enemies ammunition. You may have a particular definition of what a tankie is, but we are about to enter an era of repression most likely, and you wanna pick fights with people who hate your supposed enemies. If you want to defeat "tankieism (what kind of vaushite language is this) then you would find the good faith ones and try and figure out why they, in good faith, have questionable views, and try to engage politically. Instead you otherize them just like any objectivist bourgeois liberal. And you wonder why I say you stand with libs?
Maybe I don’t know what you’ve read or whatever, but (for example) a biologist would know if someone who wasn’t a biologist was just like making biology noises, or if they were legit. I’m not trying to gatekeep, but this anti tankie behavior is lib behavior, its the same one sided “authoritarianism” that the stalinists believe in, justification for purges.
When two contradictory sides mirror each other, like positive and negative, they are one thing, thats basic dialectics. You can steelman all you want, a steelman is just a strawman made out of something shiny (and it prob took the owner too long to put together, but just stands there.)
If you want to move past where the tankies are, because you’re stuck with them now, then you have to dump your objectivist worldview.
Is this an opportunity? Should I try writing chinese gay porn stories?
你说汉语吗？
Why would speaking it matter? Oh I would have to write like that wouldn’t I. mmmmm. Are they arresting folk for translating gay erotica?
In China one must only fuck pussy… Yeah, guys, my wife said no.
50 years of culture.
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