• CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Uh, yes? I don’t support the blatant invasion and warcrimes by Russia but I can recognize Ukraine has a fascist problem too.

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            1 year ago

            Muddied? There’s this thing called “nuance.” I support Donbas independence, I simply don’t think it gives Russia the right to invade anywhere outside of Donbas, is that that complicated to understand?

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              1 year ago

              When 99.9% of people who unironically use the word tankie, and think that ‘fascist’ means ‘anything I don’t like’, also fiercely oppose Donbas independence, and when the one I’m talking to is also refusing to just give a clear answer, I’m not about to say I’m in the wrong for asking some clarifying questions.

              Also, why doesn’t it give Russia the right to invade? Was it wrong for the allies to invade Germany proper during WW2?

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                when the one I’m talking to is also refusing to just give a clear answer

                I very clearly said I supported their independence, but okay.

                Also, why doesn’t it give Russia the right to invade?

                So let me get this straight, you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost? You really think Ukraine is on the same level of Nazi fucking Germany? Honestly I wouldn’t even much of a problem if they just invaded Donbas but they’re invading the whole fucking country and causing so much death and destruction. How is that justified? How can you call yourself anti-war and anti-imperialism and justify a brutal invasion? Some true colors being shown…

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                  1 year ago

                  you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost?

                  no, this was why the people’s republics of donetsk and luhansk invited military aid, and was the cause behind the Minsk agreements as well as Russia recognizing the Donbas republics

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              1 year ago

              So if you invade another country and as part of their defense of their country, their military enters your country, they’re now the aggressors?

              Do you apply that principal to all conflicts, or only against enemies of the West?

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                    1 year ago

                    So let me get this straight: if the US/Canada were hostile with each other, and the people of Alberta, Canada, were separatists that allied themselves with the US, but the Canadian government refused to recognize Alberta’s sovereignty, you would support a full-scale, deadly American invasion of Canada?

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      1 year ago

      Wait, do you support Donbas self rule or not? Are they not allowed to invite their ally (Russia) to support them militarily in a war of aggression by their neighbor, Ukraine?

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        1 year ago

        I very clearly am saying I support Donbas but Russia has taken it too far and has become the larger aggressor.