I saw this post and wanted to ask the opposite. What are some items that really aren’t worth paying the expensive version for? Preferably more extreme or unexpected examples.

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    Dogs, rescues are just as doglike and mostly free compared to the Hapsburg simulator known as breeding

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      Pets are best when you buy the cheap off brand versions. Purebred more often equals inbred and personally I don’t want that generic headache as a pet ages.

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      I own and train hunting dogs for upland and waterfowl hunting. I’ve also done breeding in my younger days. Bloodlines absolutely matter. A puppy from National Champion bloodlines has a far, far better chance of being very good at his job. This goes for ANY working breed that is actually expected to work at their job in real life. And they cost a LOT of money to buy, train, and maintain. But these aren’t foo-foo dogs bred strictly for looks either.

      If all you need is a popcorn and movie and sleep on the bed pet, then it doesn’t probably matter very much. Find a nice rescue - they need a home and love too.

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        This goes for ANY working breed that is actually expected to work at their job in real life. And they cost a LOT of money to buy, train, and maintain.

        TBH it depends on the work - up until the surge in demand from the pandemic, Border Collies were super cheap in the UK because it was mostly farmers selling the extra pups they didn’t need. I’d imagine other areas have a local working breed that’s similar. That said, they are now more expensive than rescues, and require a particularly high energy lifestyle so aren’t suitable pets for most people. Most people just need something kinda friend shaped, which rescues have plenty of.

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          That is an issue more with owners who don’t know better or are just lazy and poor at training rather than the dogs themselves. All dogs do better with activity, but even Border collies, (Long ago and far away I owned, trained and worked a pair), don’t work all day long every day. Most days they might do 30 minutes of actual work. The rest of their time is spent lounging in the sun or shade. So it’s less about energy and more about training. The one thing a working breed from a proper bloodline has over a lot of rescues is tractability. No matter how “high powered” they might be, if they are not willing to easily do your bidding, even at a long distances, they are worthless. Tractability means as much or more than drive.

          Again, don’t get me wrong. Rescues deserve and need a loving home as much as you or me. I have a rescue dog myself. His only requirement is to do tippytaps for his kibble, soak up butt rubs, (because who among us does not love a good butt rub), and keep my feet warm over the winter. But he came from a harsh place and was a very stubborn and willful dog to work with. It took me nearly 2 years of training effort to get to the lovable house pet he has become. And I’m a very highly and experienced trainer - more so than the vast majority.

          Your dog is a reflection of its owner/handler/trainer.

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      But real Advil has the candy coating on the outside, and I haven’t found a generic that does =(

      Otherwise 100% identical yes.

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        A few years ago, I wondered why that was and googled it. I came to an Advil site with an expandable FAQ, and one of the questions was “why does Advil taste sweet?”

        So I expanded it out to reveal this shocking answer (or something similar): “Advil tastes sweet because it is lightly coated in sugar.”

        Thanks, I guess. I just closed the tab in mild irritation and moved on with my day.

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        Problem with the candy coating is you can’t enjoy it, unless you want to suddenly learn what pure poison tastes like. It’s such a tease. Doesn’t help that they look like scrumptious little caramel-y morsels.

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        Yep

        There may be a difference in things like pill shape, texture, release mechanism / time to absorb (if it’s not very important for how the medication works)

        So it’s ok to have a preference for one brand over the other when one of those points is relevant to your situation. I know some people also prefer the generic brand version over the regular (even if prices were the same)

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        Wait, what? I have no idea what advil is, but sugar coating any drug is a recipe for disaster.

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          Sugarcoating pills is fairly common, especially for pills which are frequently ingested or target older demographics. It’s because sugar coatings are much gentler on the esophagus (i.e.: less likely to cause esophagitis, “pill burn”). Advil (i.e.: ibuprofen) is a cheap, well tolerated, and non habit-forming pain reliever – it’s about as safe as such a thing could possibly be, so hopefully that helps to explain why a sugar coating might be warranted given the aforementioned upsides (for the love of all that is holy; always read the directions on the label, it’s still quite possible that Advil is not safe for you specifically). FWIW: the bottles also have childproofing mechanisms built into the caps (… at least in U.S. markets. Not sure about elsewhere?)

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              I think you have a wrong image of how this looks/works. It’s not like there is a cany-shell or something. It’s a regular, smooth pill. You usually do not notice this coating because you don’t keep a pill in your mouth. If you were to, the pill would taste sweet.

              If you ever have gotten a pill of some sort that dd not feel chalky on the outside but smooth and looked kinda shiny, that probably has been a sugarcoated pill.

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      Not exactly. Just a fun fact and disclaimer that I use generics if at all possible. But my pharmacology class taught that generics can have higher tolerance of error in % of active ingredient. Not usually a big deal unless the drug has a very narrow therapeutic range, meaning too little doesn’t work and too much will harm you. 99.9% of generics is fine. But if you ever wonder if one batch of your med doesn’t seem to work as well this it’s likely that batch was on the lower end of acceptable.

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      Depends on the meds. I take concerta for ADHD and as I understand it, the generic doesn’t use the same release mechanism.

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        I’m also on concerta (ADHD highfive) and I’ve found lower efficacy with the generic… I sure wish it was the same though.

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      Aspirin and paracetamol I don’t think are patented by any one company now. Supermarket brand is super cheap.

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      Also, a cheaper alternative is to eat less and eat healthier. I know we can’t all afford expensive healthy foods but just simply cutting out excess fats, sugar and empty carbs from your diet will add years to your life and also add better years to your life.

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    Water. At least here in Denmark. Bottled water is less regulated than tap water.

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      One of the benefits of living in the Nordics is tap water that can literally be of higher quality than bottled water (assuming you don’t have bad pipes.) The only time I’ll ever buy bottled water is if I get really thirsty when I’m on the go and don’t have a bottle of tap water with me

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      In parts of the Alps, the stuff coming out of the fountains in the town square is cleaner than the stuff that comes out of the tap lol 😂

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      • Removed Snap

      But seriously stop buying Microsoft’s shit. Even indirectly, don’t buy Windows pre-installed computers unless you have a very specific reason for it.

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          Not 100% compatible with everything i use. I understand that advice works for most though. Or I’ve been told that at least.

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            What isn’t it compatible with? All these people making baseless complaints about Linux driving me crazy. Most people are just too lazy to Google an error code. I’m convinced there are hidden Windows shills in the fediverse like undercover Russian spys.

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              Seriously people act like googling an error is the end of the world AND windows never ever makes a user troubleshoot. Like dude windows constantly fucks up and you gotta figure shit out

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                Honestly, I don’t even know when I had a windows problem.

                I use Windows, Linux and MacOS regularly and I have zero problems with windows.

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              I don’t agree with your Microsoft shills comment but, I do agree with the statement that a lot of the “don’t use Unix” posts are either people who haven’t actually tried it/echo chambering it or classic cases of “help I’ve tried nothing and I’ve run out of ideas”. You never see the same comments saying “Don’t use Mac” despite that MacOS is based off the same system and shares almost all of the points stated.

              As someone who actually jumps between windows and Mint, I can say that for the everyday person and even gamers nowadays it’s for the most part of seamless transition. LibreOffice is basically a 1:1 copy of MS office and I find my Mint system lightyears more stable then my windows 10 system. For gaming Steam litterally does everything for you now, you don’t even have to mess with wine manually anymore which was my biggest gripe. The only games I have found to not work are games that the devs for some reason decided to intentionally disable support for (talking about you Epic Studios and Roblox). I plan to fully nuke my Windows 10 install when Windows 11 is required in favor of just using a Mint install exclusively, I just lack the energy to do that change when I have a functional system still.

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                I fully agree with everything you said. Especially the Windows 10 transition. I’m trying to never go Windows 11.

                There was a cross post to Linux Lemmy a while ago from Mastodon claiming 'WiNdOwZ jUsT wOrKs" and Linux has too many issues with similarly no specific critique or shown effort of trying absolutely anything. And it just drives me crazy.

                Microsoft is absolutely thrilled that we won’t troubleshoot anything no matter how small because they like our data.

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              Lol, are you serious? Any Adobe software, Microsoft Office, plenty of games (especially those that rely on anticheat software). That’s everything that comes to mind right away, there’s definitely more than that when it comes to specialized software. And no need to reply with “but there are good alternatives/use an older version”, this is software that is required for work and it’s industry standard for a reason.

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                In my last couple of jobs I’ve found that most of the software required for work is either available as a web app or runs just fine on Linux. There have only been a handful of users needing Windows to do their jobs. It all depends on what your role is.

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                That’s fine. I understand there is software that Linux doesn’t have specifically. That is basically a chicken an egg problem. I think everyone can agree that we’d rather have a FOSS option and not pay adobe anymore.

                The point I’m making is if you’re going to come on here and say Linux ain’t working at least give specific examples. Don’t just say it doesn’t work because it does work and there is an alternative to everything whether you want to use it or not is a different discussion.

                Also , lets hope that the ARM platform is going to bridge this gap. I could be wrong on this but it seems like now that MacOS runs on ARM then we should see a lot more cross compatibility on Linux based ARM systems in the future. (Anyone wanna speculate on when ARM will kill x86, if ever)?

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                Industry standard so you can use Windows on a work computer and be free to use Linux at home.

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                  I’ve been doing that for more than half a decade now, but the point still stands: the claim that Linux is compatible with everything is just not true, and while there are plenty of people for whom it will work perfectly fine, there are also lots of situations in which it is not a feasible solution.

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                  No, buying used chromebooks from sketchy Craigslist ads with the pickup location being a van down by the river is actually cheaper and easier.

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                man you are going to /hate/ windows then lol, the blue screen doesn’t even give an error code anymore, just a “oops something went wrong” screen.

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                  I like that, its exactly what it says on the tin. Something did indeed go wrong. When I get a blue screen, I didn’t <arbitrary number>, I got an error that lead to a crash…also known as something going wrong.

                  People may not like it, but the closer a machine is to communicating in a human like manner the better it is.

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              Does not run Creo. Does not run DCS. Does not run Destiny 2. These are most of what I do that needs a useful computer versus just a ipad or something. Therefore, a Linux PC would only be useful for blender and firefox. Only being able to use 40% of programs means a Linux PC is basically e waste already.

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      Just installed Ubuntu to a laptop I recently acquired. First time using Linux. The learning curve is real and immediate.

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      Linux is not free. I already work full time job, and unlike maintaining and endlessly diagnosing countless issues that I don’t experience on Windows, my actual job gives me a paycheck every week.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An4X9E9vyn8

        “So Linux is free and doesn’t waste any more time than the alternative” at 8:13.

        Linux will install faster than Windows, installing applications will be faster than Windows (because of the builtin graphical app manager, which unlike the Microsoft Store has most everything you want), and most of those burn all your time common bugs are fixed now. I have a computer running Fedora Silverblue, which I’ve done less than an hour of configuration with, and it’s had no issues playing videogames, doing blender, web browsing, or any of the other normal things.

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        Issues like what? Did you ever try Linux recently or are you just repeating the same years-old info? Or do you just have an nvidia card lol

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    Phones

    You don’t really need an 8-core CPU and 12 gigs of RAM for making calls and browsing the web, which is what 95% of people use their phones for. Not even buying such phone for the sake of longevity is worth it since most manufacturers drop support for their phones after 5 years at most.

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    Digital cables, like HDMI and USB. If they meet the spec, they should operate identically.

    ETA: It’s a digital signal: either it works or it doesn’t. There’s no “higher quality” version of the same image. Sure, if you have a 4K 120hz HDR signal you might need an HDMI 2.1 spec cable, but as long as it meets that spec, it’ll either work or need to be returned. The signal won’t be washed out, or crackly, or static-y (all the concerns we had with analog video cables back in the day); the signal might not work, or it might drop out from time to time, which means it doesn’t meet spec.

    Same with USB-C. If it doesn’t charge your phone correctly, or have the transfer speeds you want, because you bought it at a Dollar Store and it isn’t in spec, the problem isn’t USB-C, it’s the fact that the manufacturer sold you an out-of-spec cable.

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      Getting good quality cables can make a difference.

      Getting gold-plated cables will not ever. I fucking see you Monster. For $40 a cable that thing better also come with a free handy and an ice cream.

    • HDMI, yes. Not so much for USB cables.

      USB cables are (commonly) subject to more stress; they’re often moved, plugged, unplugged, and can often have lifespans far longer than the devices they’re using to connect. There are other, non-spec-related factors that impact durability, such as nylon wrapping, more robust connectors, and so on. Durability isn’t as much a factor for HDMI, ethernet, or optical cables, but for USB, sometimes durability is worth extra money, if only to reduce e-waste.

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        That isn’t as true with HDMI as it used to be. Now that we are pushing 4k120hz across the cables, the signal integrity matters more than it did when HDMI was commonly used for 1080p60.

        This is even moreso the case if you have longer HDMI runs.

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        But you’re still not going to get appreciably different performance or longevity from a $50 USB-C cable than from a $10 USB-C cable.

        And I recognize that it’s not exactly the same thing, but as a decent rule of thumb, if the company is willing to actually build the thing in spec, they’re probably doing a good enough job that it’s going to last a reasonable amount of time, so the spec is still useful for that purpose. To wit: I’ve never had an in-spec USB-C cable or connector fail.

        • I have, but your probably right in the general.

          Most recently, I had a plug housing (aluminium) seperate from the guts when I tugged on it. It’s not like it happens frequently; Apple lightning cables are far more fragile, but that’s probably by design.

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      In 99% of cases you’d be correct. There are other considerations you might want to consider when buying a cable other than just meeting spec. For example, if you have a pet, getting a cable with a durable nylon sleeve might be a good idea.

      Another thing that might be worth in some unique situations would be getting a more flexible cable so it could squeeze in a tight space, or a 45⁰/90⁰ connector…

      Note that it doesn’t always means that it will be expensive to get, and I do agree with you that the important thing is to stay away from the snake oil cables who promise better image/sound quality or whatever.

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      Just out of curiosity, do you avoid YouTube or just deal with the ads? I’ve been on a premium family plan for years and love it - we watch a lot of yt.

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          Do the content creators still make money off of your views if you do not see an ad?

          I use YouTube Premium with a family membership and have used all of the slots with family members. $33 a month isn’t bad for 5 people to have ad free YouTube, still fund the content creators and also have YouTube Music.

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        There’s an option C:

        avoid YouTube or just deal with the ads

        Of course I guess it depends on which devices that that’s an option.

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        It also comes with YouTube music which rivals spotify. Kind of the better option if you are paying for a premium service.

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      I use Premium, though I don’t subscribe to literally any other service. That said, I’m losing patience with the price increases. One more and I’m likely going to nope out. For me, for now, it’s worth it to avoid potential hassle and is about the only thing I have in my life atm that doesn’t cause some level of worry or concern.

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    I buy a lot of generic or store brand stuff. Usually I’m comfortable doing this with things that have been around for a long time like bleach, laundry soap, and basic foods. I assume that it is not difficult to do these things so anyone can make it and there’s little if any difference between brands.

    On this topic: I heard once that you should first buy cheap tools. Use them until they break and then decide what you want to improve about those tools and buy better ones. Often those first tools never break. This seems like pretty good advice for most things.

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      The tools is good advice most of the time, but not if the tool would fail dangerously. Don’t skimp on car jacks, table saws, or other things that are likely to injure you if they fail.

      Screwdrivers/drills/hammers/crowbars/etc. don’t need to be expensive if you are going to use them rarely as the professional grade is mostly about being used all day every day and being able to survive rough handling by tired workers.

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      I try not to use a lot of plastic wrap, but sometimes it’s the right tool for the job. I will always spring for the good stuff, generic is basically useless and you waste way more for inferior performance.

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        I work as QA in packaging and it turns out that it’s super important for a manufacturer to follow every little specification for consistency. There’s some seriously small details that make a big difference.

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            We use dimethyl sulfoxide to test for saran coating. We don’t really make cling wrap where I work though. That’s usually for anti fog or sealing layers.

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    Soap. My mom and sisters always complement my hair and skin, asking what products I use. I just use 2$ Yardley bar soap for skin and hair. I also like them because they smell nicer than other cheap brands that just have a generic detergent smell.

    Razors. For all shaving I use a safety razor. The initial investment is somewhat expensive but after that each blade is mere cents. Also much less wasteful. Make sure to store your used blades in an old medicine bottle to dispose of them safely (and for the garbage man’s safety). Also find these to be way nicer on skin, 5 blade or whatever cartridge razors don’t make a closer shave and remove and irritate skin much more.

    Kitchen knives. Most cheap knives (and a lot of expensive ones) suck because of bad design. Most knives today are way too thick and chunky, to make them look more robust etc. what you need is a thin blade and a sharp, long lasting edge. Victorianox fibrox ($35) is excellent for the money and for most people you don’t need any more performance. You can also use kiwi knives (10$). They are super cheap, perform well, but dull fast, a good cheap option if you know how to sharpen and hone. If you want more performance than the fibrox you can get a Japanese tojiro basic. These aren’t very fancy but have excellent performance, being made of laminated vg-10 steel and having a much longer lasting edge. These are around 50$

    If you cook and chop a lot and want a knife to take pride and pinnacle of performance then you’ll want a hand forged Japanese knife. DO NOT fall for Japanese knife scams and do lots of research on YouTube. These will be around 200$ to 500$ (more expensive knives are for prettier, or famous blades). They are very thin, highly polished (it’ll glide through food) and made of extremely sharp, extremely hard, hand forged laminated steel.

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      Agree on going with safty razors, but once you are there, you don’t want to cheep out. The one option my local grocery store carries is a $20 that is complete junk. I invested $70 in a Henson safty razor and never looked back. They also have a $250 offering for people who want the benefits of a safty razor without the cost savings.

      For blades, I actually splurge and buy the $0.20/piece offering from Feather instead of the $0.10/piece ones that Henson sells. Still cheeper than the $0.80 safty blades the grocery store sells, or the checks app $4.50/piece cartridge blades the store sells?!?

      Moral of the story: go cheap, but don’t be afraid of spending a little money to do so.

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      Definitely! I used to chase the largest number of blades. Mach 3, then Fusion. And then noticed that it was getting a bit insane paying $30 for a pack of four replacement heads. About ten years ago, I noticed a resurgence in double edged safety razor popularity. Bought a $50 Edwin Jaggar handle (which they replaced with a sturdier version for free when I broke it!), and have been picking up my Dorco blades $10 for 100 since. The shave is just as good, if not better, and getting straight lines is actually much easier. I feel like if more people knew, Gillette would just go out of business.

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        Yeah it’s the early version of enshittification. When the current product is too cheap and effective , make a newer “advanced” one with all of their “technology” and “precision”.

        I’ve seen this in knives and tools. For much of woodworking all you need is a bench, saw, hammer and chisels, however today, people are convinced you need a hardware store’s worth of power tools to even think about building basic furniture.

        Or in cooking, everyone tries to convince you to buy their stupid expensive set of fake Japanese knives with some thermo plastic resin handle and their special unbreakable stainless super steel.

        Many modern knives are actually worse than their contemporaries because now they are designed for marketing. Big heavy oversized bolsters and super thick blades to market them as invincible, tough knives that can chop through a cinder block or some goofy shit. In reality you just need a thin knife and a small bolster, of which older chef knives had, because they were built for actual use.

        I ALWAYS compare new products vs old, because oftentimes the new version only exists because it’s more profitable.

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      Soap. My mom and sisters always complement my hair and skin, asking what products I use. I just use 2$ Yardley bar soap for skin and hair. I also like them because they smell nicer than other cheap brands that just have a generic detergent smell.

      Skin is waaay too individual to make recommendations. Some people can use dove bar soap on their face and never have acne or other skin problems. Others are acne prone and have to do multiple things in order to keep it under control.

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        Too real! Bioderma body wash is expensive AF, but it’s the best one on my skin. Most other ones would render my skin into a desert.

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      Victorianox

      It’s called Victorinox, from “Victor-” from Victoria, the founders Mother, and “-inox” from “acier inoxydable”, i.e., non-oxidizing steel.

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      For my shaving needs, I’ve had a lot of luck with the Norelco One Blade. The upfront cost is similar and the cartridges last for a good three months. It’s not a sharp blade, so not only is it very safe to use but the TSA will let you take it in a carry on.

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    Cars. Expensive cars require more frequent and complicated maintenance and repairs than cheaper cars. They over engineer them on purpose in order to make it unreasonable to maintain them in the long run. They don’t want their brand sullied by old versions of their cars driven around by poor people.

    • Hard disagree!

      Are you saying that you’ve owned both cheap and expensive cars, and that your favorites have always been the cheap ones? That they’ve been more reliable, more comfortable, better-riding, and better-driving? Or, at least, no worse than the expensive ones?

      Yes, more expensive cars are more expensive. They often have a higher cost of ownership. And, sometimes, brands really fuck up and cut corners they shouldn’t, and result an reputational harm that takes years to recover from, long after they’ve fixed the production issues (c.f. Audi in the early 00’s). But, IME, it’s usually worth it, if you can afford it.

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        Cheap cars definitely are more reliable if you pick the right brands. On all the other points it just doesn’t make enough of a difference to me to justify the enormous cost increase.

        Our $10k used Camry is still kicking ass over ten years later and hasn’t ever needed work more extensive than replacing leaking struts. The reliability truly is astounding.

        EDIT: But, let’s not talk about my camera-buying habits lol

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          let’s not talk about my camera-buying habits lol

          Ah, that’s the perfect hobby if you really hate having money 😅

        • Our 2016 (new) BMW has never had a major issue. Our 2014 (new) Volvo - which cost half what the BMW did, has almost never not had something going wrong with it. We bought a new Altima many years ago that was less expensive than the Volvo; we had it for several years and it was fine, but it was still in the shop more than this BMW (but less than the Volvo).

          The issue isn’t so much reliability, but what it costs when there is a problem. Fixing the Altima would certainly be cheaper than the same repair of the BMW. The Volvo TCO is higher than the BMW or the Altima.

          I also think you have to be comparing similar years. My sister - who’s 20 years younger than me - is still driving a 1996 Nissan 240SX, and it’s in great chat wasn’t a “cheap” car when it was new, but still. I think cars from last century were more robust.

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            The repair cost is ultimately the most significant, that’s true.

            We’ll have to see how statistics play out in the long run: that’s where the non-anecdotal evidence for Toyota’s supremacy comes from.

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        There’s not going to be a huge difference between something like a Toyota and a Mercedes other than cost and reliability. You’re paying for the brand.

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          Mercedes is an outlier. Try comparing Toyota with Lexus, Nissan with Infiniti, Chevy with Cadillac, or Ford with Lincoln. In all of these instances, the luxury marques have equivalent or better reliability than their economy counterparts.

          Of course, whether or not the reliability and features are worth the cost is a different question entirely. (I generally lean towards no.)

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            Lol I don’t think the reliability difference between Lexus and Toyota is measurable. If anything I see way more old Toyotas on the road than I do old Lexuses. But that may be just because less were produced.

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              Lexus is made by Toyota, just an fyi. To your point, a lot more vehicles are built with the Toyota badge than the Lexus badge. Options and creature comforts separate the two. Most (maybe all) of them share the same platform with each other.

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                Lexus is made by Toyota

                I’m well aware :) I don’t think that really changes anything of what I said though. Them being owned by the same parent company doesn’t really change anything other than the company culture of reliability, but even so Toyotas are more well known for their reliability. Luxury cars are also inherently less reliable just due to the fact they have more parts and also newer technologies for the luxury aspect that sometimes haven’t had all the kinks engineered out yet.

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      100% agree here. They all need maintenance, but higher end ones have pricer parts and less common, affordable after market parts. Cars are for the most part a utility and a cost center. You want to minimize your cost and maximize your value gotten out of it.

      I despise cars as a status symbol, because again it’s just going to turn into a rust bucket like the rest of them at the same or worse rates, but also it just sets people up for failure in the lives just tens of thousands down the drain, literal years of work, for something’s that’s nearly worthless by the time they pay it off.

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      When I was in college, I admired my boss and his BMW. He then told me that it was a hand-me-down, and he spends a few hours a month maintaining it because there’s always something that breaks and he can’t afford to bring it into the shop every time.

      He joked on a few occasions of just giving me the car after a year, and after a while, it felt like a cry for help rather than a joke.

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      Lolol you just going to ignore that brands like Porsche are consistently in the top 3?

      Expensive cars mostly fail because people who can’t afford them don’t do basic maintenance. The only real German brand when any reliability issues are Merc.

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    Fashion accessories. For most fashion (not workwear), the expensive stuff is made from the same material and in the same factories as the cheap stuff, they just market it harder.

    Body wash. It’s watered-down soap. Just buy a bar of soap.

    Amazon Prime. Amazon used to be space-age Sears. Now it’s just Aliexpress. Fake reviews and bribery are rampant, dangerously nonfunctional products get top recommendations, used and broken products get resold as new while untouched returns get thrown into landfills, Amazon Basics violates IP, and they’re putting ads in Prime Video now.

    Microwaves and space heaters. The boxes may try to convince you otherwise, but the amount of heat these devices can deliver is bottlenecked by the power outlet. Every 1100W microwave is just as effective as the others. If you’re paying more, it’s for looks and for features you’ll never use like popcorn mode.

    Electronics, for most people. Most people won’t get more use out of a new $1500 phone than a last-gen model from the same manufacturer for $500. Do you really want a $200 smart coffee maker, or a $20 dumb coffee maker with a $10 plug-in timer?

    Software. Obligatory FOSS plug. I don’t blame people for sticking to what’s familiar, but if you have the time and energy to spare tinkering, most software out there has a good free or open-source equivalent these days. At least for personal use. In my use case, LibreOffice beats Microsoft Word, Photopea beats Photoshop, and Google Sheets beats Excel.

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      Hard disagree on body wash vs soap. Soap always leaves a weird filmy feeling on my skin no matter what brand I use. Plus having to lather up the bar is annoying and I don’t want to deal with wet washcloths in the shower. Give me a poof and a bottle of body wash any day.

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        Yeah, body soap last me a lot longer as well. People gift me Lush some times and the large bottle lasts months, I’m almost 1/4 done with one I got back in October.

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        Huh. I had to google it, but you’re right – body wash isn’t technically soap, it’s detergent. So it’s less likely to leave a film, particularly in hard water.

        You learn something new every day.

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      I agree with everything but using Google sheets. It’s neither free nor open source. You don’t pay with money but with your privacy. Libre office is just as good as a desktop application and is actually FOSS. If you absolutely need the cloud storage, get a provider you can trust, buy the space and sync your files online, after editing locally.

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    Stuff that is used and immediately disposed of like trash bags, paper towels, and toilet paper. You need to be a little more careful with the cheapest trash bags and toilet paper, but it will still get the job done.

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      I actually disagree a bit on this one, it may be different for you but near me the cheap trash bags have a tendency to rip, the cheap TP is 1ply sandpaper, and the cheap Paper Towels always smell like mildew making my hands, beard, tables etc, smell like mildew. I don’t have to go top shelf, but can’t go cheapest.

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      Don’t get cheap toilet paper, buy a bidet. The initial investment seems like a lot but I’ve had one for 8 years and I go through a roll or 2 a month now. Worth the investment.

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      You also have to take a look at the quantity, I have a family member that loves the dollar store but a lot of the stuff they get has much much less than if you just got it at the regular store for a few cents more, especially aluminum foil I can’t stand that super thin stuff haha

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    On phones; while you don’t need a flagship model if you are privacy conscious it is worth seeking out a platform that will work well with degooglified OSes; ironically the Pixel is one of the best thanks to GrapheneOS.

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    I personally do not find expensive wine and liquor worth it. That obviously don’t mean all cheap wines are good, but I find the percentage of bad wine I had at $50 - $70 range is pretty much the same as wine around or under $20.

    I find the best way is to research online before you buy or go for couple known-good brands. Most of the results actually tend to be on the cheaper side (around $20 for wine, around $35 for liquor).

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      I can’t tell the difference between wine at all. Whiskey and beer I can definitely tell the difference between cheap and good stuff, but once you hit the 80$+ range it all blends together.

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        grape wine sucks

        there’s more complexity in Shaoxing cooking wine than grape wine

        also the best beer I’ve ever had was some artisanal non-alcoholic one, I’ve been trying to find it for 10 years but never succeeded

    • IMHO, there are two price bands for wine: under-$10, and over. I have an unsophisticated palette, but I can tell a cheap wine from a not-cheap one. I can’t tell a not-cheap one from an expensive one, though. Some really expensive wines taste like crap to me, worse than the mid-range ones. That’s the only time I can pick out on expensive wine: it might taste bad, but it doesn’t taste cheap.

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      For both wine and liquor I find that presentation will impress people way more than price. Get a cool looking decanter and you’re basically set as far as the average wine drinker goes - as for liquor, I have a Crystal Head Vodka bottle that I rinse out and pour whatever I’m drinking into, which is a lot cheaper than buying another Crystal Head lmao.

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      I’ll disagree to a point on liquor.

      I like single-malt Scottish whiskey. I like Islays the most, followed by Speysides, Cambelltowns, Highlands, and Lowlands (in that order). I’ve found that, generally speaking, the longer a whiskey has been aged, the better it’s going to be at mellowing out the harsher flavors in a given distillery’s offerings. Compared to blended whiskeys–which are usually cheaper–single malt, and single barrel are a better experience in my opinion. I’m usually paying $50-200 for something that I’ll really enjoy, with most being in the $100-150 range.

      But $5000 for a 40yo bottle of Macallen? Absolutely not.

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        I heard whisky can be quite expensive, so I retract my point on whisky. The liquor I had in mind is mainly tequila, which is generally rather cheap.

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          I will say legit well crafted tequila I had in Mexico, was so tasty you could drink it straight. No clue the price, but there are def differences and pretty much all of the cheaper tequila in America sucks ass.

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          FWIW, whiskey is expensive because the market had grown sharply, and production runs a minimum of seven years behind demand (for Scottish whiskey, due to laws on aging). Ten years ago you could get a perfectly decent Laphroaig for $25-35; now it’s more like $60 for the same thing.