Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called “going for a walk”

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    Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called stop supporting people who want me dead.

    Like I genuinely get mad when people say stuff like “I don’t want politics in my x” or whatever, because YEAH. ME FUCKING TOO. Do you know how much I would love not feeling on the defensive at all times due to the pending casual extermination of people like me that you are either supporting or ignoring??? If all the libs wanted me to be a lib like them they could have simply not made me life hell.

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      This is the point everyone misses. They forget that other people have problems even if it’s not happening to them

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      If they persecute you for having a different opinion that doesn’t enforce anti-tolerance, then they are not liberals.

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          By vote, not by action.

          If a liberal suppresses your freedom of speech and you are not calling for the destruction of his government (full constitutional change that doesn’t include the entirety of the people or at the very least, prevents the majority’s tyranny) he is not a liberal.

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          I’m sorry that one whooshed so high over my head I can see it twinkling in the sky.

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            The expression (don’t know the origin) is “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.” Basically pointing out the historical tendency of liberals to prefer a fascist-managed capitalism if their interests are threatened or it becomes clear the liberal order won’t last (and could be replaced from the left).

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              Thank you!

              Definitely a valid expression for when liberals dress up self interest in the guise of principles of freedom.

              Not hipocrisy when the left parties enforce the tyranny of the majority though. In that case, the criticism becomes strawman fallacy.

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      Firstly, that sounds like a shit situation to be in, so please don’t think I’m dismissing your struggles here.

      I don’t live in the same country as you and I have no power to even slightly affect your political situation. I read enough bad news about stuff that I at least have a chance to get involved in that sometimes I want to read some funnies on the internet without having to read about another shit situation. It’s not because I don’t care, it’s because it’s not worth stressing out further about something I cannot do anything about.

      So yeah, that’s why people don’t want so see US politics everywhere. Just because something is very important doesn’t mean it’s very important to everyone.

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          Do you want to see people suffering? Because that’s fucked up.

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            The bare minimum you can do is listen when someone is in pain and stand witness when they are under attack. I want to see when people are suffering, so I can figure out how to help, or at very least show solidarity. Obviously I can’t take this in at all hours of every day, but that’s time I spend alone or with an IRL friend, not on an online messaging board.

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              Other way round for me, my IRL time contains the serious shit, I come online for escapism

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                I don’t know why you would go on the “people talking about events” platform and being surprised people are talking about events that aren’t happy. That’s just poor planning. I mean yeah, be there for your friends, but you should be able to have light or pleasant conversation pretty often, and steer away from troubling topics when you aren’t up for it, far easier than online.

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        Trans rights are important to everyone and under threat in most of the world, so disagree

        These are all global problems because they’re caused by global systems lead by a global hegemon, the United States

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        How do you know what country they live in and if the issue is relavent in your country or not?

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    I’m getting the impression from Lemmy that there’s an overrepresentation of the particular demographic of comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.

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      comfortable middle-aged bookish software engineers who live in the US or Canada.

      That seems to be like 95% of both reddit’s and lemmy’s (or some other federated instances’) user-bases.

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      On the other hand there’s also an overrepresentation of tankies. I don’t think those are the same people.

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          Death to all tankies, hooyah America, KILL THE BEAR. Ready to set 1SQ for strategic nuclear launch! Fuck the Kremlin, and fuck the CCP!

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            Okay so I followed the first part, you want Russians dead and all that, it’s the thing rn. But you realize saying “launch the nukes” is exactly the same thing as “death to America” but with more steps, right?

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              What can I say, I want to actually do the job I trained for sometimes. Besides, the way the qoeld is going makes me less and less hesitant to actually flip the toggle switch when the order comes. Maybe that’s the point.

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            You don’t even know the name of the party. Don’t speak on things you clearly know nothing about

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              I know they’re Great Power Conflict adversaries, and I know my job is to put warheads on foreheads when directed. Everything else is just ammo for the IC community, SW, SO and MISO. Hooyah America.

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          Lol, that’s not what they said at all. Somebody seems a little defensive.

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          What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?

          I mean, I’m a demsoc, and of the last 20 death threats I have received in my life, 15 came from people who identify as Communist-Leninist. PLEASE give me a better word for them.

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            What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to “put you up against the wall” and then asks if you “know what that means, you fucking lib”?

            Based

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            You don’t know the difference between a demsoc and a socdem. You’re not any kind of socialist, just a lib who likes the idea of being seen as leftist.

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              And I bet you’re fun at parties. Please oh great psychic, tell me more about myself?

              And actually, I do know the difference between demsoc and socdem. The formal definition for Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.” That we are constantly painted as “filthy liberal” for wanting to respect the will of the majority is a disappointing and disgusting lie. And the ONLY people who accuse socdems of being fake leftists? TANKIES. Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.

              The only way I’m not a leftist is if your version of leftism says “fuck people, freedom, or democracy”. In **your ** version of leftism, are you ok with being the 1% ruling by force against 99% who hate you? Think very carefully before replying to that.

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                And I bet you’re fun at parties

                smuglord

                Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”

                That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.

                Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.

                Speaking of succdems look how even in their mind palace they’re already dehumanizing anyone to the left of them. This helps when they cooperate with and enable fascist parties like they do every time in history. “Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D

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                  Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”

                  That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.

                  You should tell Webster they’re wrong. And Wikipedia. And Brittanica.

                  By their definitions, a Socdem’s insistence on using democracy at all costs is what differentiates between them and demsocs.

                  By why is it so important for you to insist everyone use your nonstandard definition of the terms? Also, your calling us “succdems” tells me exactly everything I need to know about your permission. If I’m not willing to murder people, I’m less than human to you enough to be given a silly nickname.

                  “Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D

                  At this moment, you’re on the wrong side of the “First they came for” poem because you’re the one rejecting the Left.

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                God, you’re such a big dumb idiot of a lib. That’s the definition of a democratic socialist, not a social democrat - you can tell by the way one of the groups are call socialists and the others are called democrats. Not only did you mix up your definitions, but you never actually managed to define democratic socialist - do you really know what the difference is if you can’t even remember to talk about one of them? The answer, scrolling down your post history to where you called yourself a socdem, is no, you think they’re the exact same thing, because you don’t even have a surface level understanding of leftism. It only takes 5 minutes in leftist spaces to discover that anarchists, socialists, and communists of all flavour hate socdems for exactly your “no really, somehow we’ll manage to vote socialism in this time” attitude, but you’ve never spent a single minute in them, because you’re not a leftist.

                My version of leftism is called Marxism and is based in historical reality and current material conditions. Your version is fantastical utopianism that’s convinced the elite are just going to give up the reigns any day now.

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            Funny because of the dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats I’ve gotten, practically all of them come from zionists, NAFOs, keyboard nazis or the occasional trumpeteer.

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            Death threats are an inappropriate and disproportiate response but have you considered that it is because you’re more irritating to the left than you are to the right? Especially given how right wingers historically are massively more violent?

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        Oh fuck off lol. The biggest instance literally preemptively removedd from everyone left of Bernie Sanders. Go back to reddit if you’re afraid of getting called out for being politically illiterate.

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          I’m guessing your autocorrect didn’t like the word “defederated” and turned it into a word that’s a slur if you don’t include the ‘d’ at the end? lol

          also I agree with your comment.

          edit- Who wouldn’t want to be called an outfox?

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          I’m a demsoc. I want to respect Communism more, but I never get death threats from liberals and do occasionally get death threats from Tankies.

          It sucks because I feel they’d make a good ally to compromise with if they weren’t hoping to have me executed for not supporting an authoritarian seizure of power.

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            By the silent downvote I take it that you think getting so many death threats is normal and not possibly linked to being an extremely weird person who argues with perhaps even weirder people

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              Which “silent downvote” are you talking about?

              And how exactly did you conclude I’m a “weird person” in this scenario? Obviously I’m arguing with weirder people, we’re talking about tankies.

              EDIT: Just looked through your post history and cannot seem to find any I downvoted.

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            Come off of it. You are not getting death threats from MLs. You just want to feel self-important

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            Do you ever think maybe it’s weird that you get many death threats? I think have ever had one in my life and I’ve conversed with many many mentally… unhealthy people

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              I’m a Social Democrat, who used to be a Democratic Socialist. The Right sees me as a Communist and McCarthyism kicks in. Did you hear about the “Physical Removal” movement? A meme-like movement about giving the Left helicopter rides to the middle of the ocean. I lived in a farm town where 40% of the voters were overcompensating for the Right not being able to win a rural area by being very outspoken anti-left.

              And then, the Left. When I considered myself to be a demsoc, I tried to hang out in LSC on reddit. Not sure if you know it, but they eventually got banned for all the death threats coming out of there. There is an attitude around some percent of Communists that non-Communist lives don’t matter. They might be a minority, but they’re outspoken.

              That was what got me to realize the flaw in being a demsoc, and I shifted laterally (NOT to the Right as several people like to pretend) to Social Democrat. Then I got more death threats because Communists have a hard-on of insisting Socdems are literally the same category as fascists.

              I DO think it’s weird that I’ve gotten and get death threats over my views, and I understand why so many people my age have given up having any views at all and just become “I just vote a party and go about my day” folks that are part of the problem.

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              You have my sympathy. Even when I was actively involved with pro-LGBTQ movements, there were people marching for rights that that didn’t respect bisexuals.

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            Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!

            For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.

            But your point stands, no death threats.

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              Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!

              Well that’s a breath of fresh air. That’s very different from what I’ve seen. I do have to point out what I said elsewhere, that I feel Communists have a responsibility to speak against violent communism, the same way “good cops” can only be good if they speak out against bad cops. (I know how most Communists feel about police, but at least I hope you can appreciate the intent of the parallel)

              For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.

              I think using the word “traitor” in a situation like that is terrible. I do take it personally if someone treats the DNC as “just as bad as Trump” after he managed to cause an unprecedented amount of devastation between his immigration policies, “pay me” COVID handling, and open hatred of marginalized groups and “great people on both sides” support for groups like the KKK… But as much as I am disappointed when people put even a moderate like Biden in the same boat as him, I wouldn’t use the word “traitor”.

              But your point stands, no death threats.

              I would love if I met more Communists who are more willing to have constructive conversation with the other Leftist groups, instead of the ones that group all of us in a wide-net neoliberal basket that includes everyone from Bernie Sanders to Adolf Hitler. So, thank you :)

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    Politics impact our lives, of course we talk about it. In the US basic human rights are being fought over. I bet if you were in danger of losing some civil rights you’d be interested in how it’s going lol.

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      The definition of Privalage is not having to worry about politics because you are so secure in your place in our Capitalist Society Hierarchy.

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    When I go for a walk, the car-based infrastructure makes everything a nuisance until I get on a trail some distance from where I live. Turns out politics is everywhere.

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        • I had to wait aong time in traffic today.

        ✔️

        • Public transit would be a nice alternative.

        🚨🚨🚨 POLITICS DETECTED 🚨🚨🚨

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      Every boss, every landlord, every school board member, every person on your HOA committee you will ever interact with is deeply involved in politics and that has a direct impact on your life, whether you realize it or not.

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      You see, if you are white, straight and male, the answer is usually a big difference. For everyone else? Likely very little.

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        I mean it does though? If my wife died because she couldn’t get healthcare she needed, I feel like that might maybe affect me.

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          That’s why I wasn’t categorical. But I mean you proved my point. If your wife died she’d be the one who suffered and died. Not you.

          The point is, politics being like the super bowl is a privilege for some. For others it’s life and death. It’s almost like saying “Keep politics out of my life” is a relatively lucky/conservative request or point of view.

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            Again, I would say if my wife died I would maybe suffer? Losing a partner is not just a nothing event…

            But I would agree, politics are life and death for certain people, they don’t have the luxury of getting to ignore them.

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        I don’t know why people are down voting you when you’re right. Hell people are mad at you just for talking about it

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          I mean I was mildly flippant. But I am a straight white guy, so you know, I’m not really punching up or down here?

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            It doesn’t matter what direction you’re punching here. You’re being called out because your analysis is wrong. Yes, politics in the west is certainly dominated by straight white males, but the important common trait that these people have is their class. Politics in most of the world is dominated by capital owners. Straight white males are afforded some concessions because it creates a divide among the working class. This does not mean that they are not oppressed due to their class character. Working class straight white males can and do suffer from some of the same oppression however, at a lower rate. This oppression is still unjustifiable.

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        Maybe I can’t differentiate because people make my life political. Good for you that’s not a problem but other people exist like me and have this issue. A lot of people seem to lack awareness of others and act like they’re in the right. It’s childish.

        I once worked for someone who thought like you. He was a real redneck. When I walked in, he looked at the hiring manager and rolled his eyes. I ended up doing the best out of anyone on my first day and it was physically intense. He apologized to me later because he gained an awareness that other people can exist differently without him being a bitch about it. You should learn from him.

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        You are the textbook definition of what we refer to as the “out to brunch liberal” who gets annoyed at how the poors caring about their conditions inconveniences your entertainment and treat consumption.

        The best part about this for any marxists reading is that your user history is filled with art deco posts.

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        And therein lies the problem, you and a lot of people like you, genuinely can’t differentiate life and politics

        the problem is precisely that for us politics has a practical effect on our daily lives. we have to worry about it, and talk about it, because if we simply let things go we get absolutely fucked

        good for you that your current condition makes you immune to even moderate sways in the political environment. that is not the case for millions of people, even the majority of them

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            You’re literally buying into the idea that politics can be separated from life which is what capitalist media benefits from in a roundabout way. Capitalists don’t want us to think “everything is political” because it threatens their power.

            Humans are political animals, “my life isn’t political” is just denying yourself agency so you don’t have to worry about exercising a part of your consciousness that is healthy and normal to exercise.

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        When politics imprest your life on such a level that it could mean not getting the health care you need, yeah it is part of your life, there is no difference. I think people like yourself see politics like sports, just boring talk, no one cares about your team. That’s not what it is, these are major things impacting people’s lives, and not talking about them could lead to less awareness and even more rights being taken away.

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    Lies! I went outside and I saw a poster about CLIMATE CHANGE, and then I turned the corner and heard a family complaining about minimum wage being too low! So unfair, I just want to be ignorant of other people’s suffering.

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    Lemmy has some very aggressive communists.

    I’ve been lucky enough to dodge the crazy right wingers though.

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        I think that’s awful an immature behavior. When you fight idiocy with aggression (at least on social media) you just get idiots who think they must be right and start truth social or something

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          Regardless of handwringing about it, the fact remains that we’ve driven out and proud fascists off of lemmy instances that we’re federated with. The simple existence of hexbear pulls the Lemmy overton window so far left that social democrats are now the right wingers - this is a good thing.

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          immature

          The most maturity obsessed internet people, like you, act like smug adult children while policing the maturity of others. smuglord

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            I usually just ignore them.

            I find that a lot of crazy right wingers do it to “own the libs” or get a rise out of their supposed enemies. It’s all just a sports game to people like that.

            If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

            Almost nobody posts on the internet trying to challenge and reconsider their beliefs, so it’s not like you’re going to change their mind anyway.

            I mean that’s what I think, at least

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              I usually just ignore them.

              Does ignoring the fascists make them go away? Please.

              If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

              So now you’re accusing us of making fascists more fascist, as an excuse for your ridiculous theory of just ignoring fascism.

              like you’re going to change their mind anyway.

              Its not even about changing their minds. Its about forcing them out of shared spaces. Fascists should driven out, shamed, harassed, and redacted.

              What you think is lib bullshit that gets your spaces infiltrated and taken over by fascists and reactionaries.

              You want to ignore them fine, but don’t condescend to people who confront them and drive them out of shared spaces as if you have a more “mature” solution. Your solution is literally “if i close my eyes they go away” baby logic

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              When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

              Literal fascist talking point. “Look what you made me do”

              I mean that’s what I think, at least

              Investigate before you start thinking next time. Are trans children out there looking for fights just by existing or is your belief that fascists need to be provoked first founded on nothing but bullshit?

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                Yknow I’m talking about on social media platforms, right?

                Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization, so I just ignore people instead. I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.

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                  Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization

                  Are you deadass actually suggesting that people are transphobic ableist nazis because communists go after nazis online?

                  or are you saying that it radicalizes more people into avid antifacsist communists, which is an unambiguously good thing (unless youre on team nazi)

                  This is a real question, please answer.

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                  I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.

                  You won’t push back on fascists, but you can’t shut up when pushing back against people who believe in pushing back fascism.

                  cause more radicalization

                  Its been pointed out multiple times now that this is literally a fascist talking point. Pushing back against fascism is not what makes people fascist. In fact its how we protect the targets of fascism on shared spaces online or off.

                  As has also been pointed out to you some people just existing is seen as an incitement by fascists. What are they supposed to do? They can’t just ignore threats and the invalidation of their humanity. That you can shut your eyes to that says a lot about you.

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    Now this is a post I can get behind.

    Take a hike, hug a tree, run your fingers through blades of grass, stare at nature and take it in.

    Maybe even get a cheeky grill in while you’re at it grillman

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        Alright so what you need is 3 large portobello mushrooms, ¼ cup canola oil (or oil of your choice), ¼ cup balsamic vinegar, 3 tablespoons chopped onion, and 4 minced cloves garlic.

        First Clean the mushrooms; remove stems, reserving them for another use. Place mushroom caps gill-side up in a shallow dish.

        Then Combine oil, balsamic vinegar, onion, and garlic in a small bowl. Pour mixture evenly over mushroom caps; let marinate at room temperature for 1 hour.

        Go and Preheat the grill to medium-high heat; grease the grate.

        Lastly, Grill those suckers over the hot grill until caramelized and tender, about 5 minutes per side; serve warm.

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    You know how if a pipeline is blocked, the pressure will continue to build up, backing up with oil, seeping it into everything nearby because it can’t go forward, until eventually a rupture occurs? That’s why “everything is political these days.”

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    If I wasn’t a slave constantly in fear of malnourishment, illness, homelessness, police violence, jail and/or pain, I might not care so much.

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    Their politics aren’t politics. Their politics are just the default, common sense, or invisible because they only get mad if they notice the politics.