• seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org
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      What if I told you there were a lot of folks who hate both tankies and capitalism.

      In fact, most anti-capitalists are also anti-authoritarian, which leaves them out of the tankie camp.

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            I’m gonna list all the good and progressive things about North Korea that America needs to emulate if it wants to stop being a Capitalist Demon Machine

            Thank you for reading my list!

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              Please give a warning for whiplash

              !Also, put a bullet point to start a list, because the empty paragraph doesn’t appear on my end. If you want to that is!<

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        Cool, but then you’re just a naive utopia dreamer. Capitalism is the best system we have right now, and it pays for a lot of social programs, can it be better sure but acting like communism is better is just flat out stupid.

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          Living in a tribe in the jungle is better than capitalism because it’s not literally destroying the world. If you’re willing to consider utopian capitalism, then a utopia based on ideas that can theoretically work should be even easier.

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            A big meteor strike would be worse for most life on earth than even the climate crisis, and that will happen, sooner or later. In order to prevent that, you need a pretty high tech level.

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              Yes and no. Yes by the time it would likely be detected on a collision course with Earth, at present, even the greatest minds can’t theorize a method to neutralize an asteroid => 5km in diameter that doesn’t cause an extinction event with the technology available to us right now.

              However, if it were detected soon enough there may be more tenable options for preventing an impact event that are not futile. The problem is we don’t have nearly enough resources monitoring deep space for our inevitable destruction and with a lot of our space tech now being privatized in the US it will be more difficult because there’s no profit incentive to being prepared for our doom. At least now that NASA is active again there will be an obvious taxpayer incentive to literally preventing our own annihilation…lol

              Edit to add article about early detection: https://www.planetary.org/defending-the-earth-from-impacts#:~:text=We can stop asteroids from,tends to focus on asteroids.

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                The point is you aren’t going to stop an asteroid if you’re living in a tribe in the jungle.

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                  That’s a dumb point. Might as well do nothing and continue to ravage the planet because there will be a meteorite somewhere in the next millions year.

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                    That doesn’t follow. If you care about whether or not humanity survives, those are not equivalent at all.

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                  Sure, but my point is that capitalism may as well be George of the jungle with everything it does to trade our future for revenue growth.

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          Capitalism is the best system we have right now

          Citation needed. Also, curious how capitalist countries are always so eager to stomp down any attempt at trying a different system, almost as if the rich really don’t want you to even believe a different system is possible 🤔

          and it pays for a lot of social programs

          It doesn’t pay, it steals. Social programs under capitalism are possible only by exploiting the global south.

          Cool, but then you’re just a naive utopia dreamer.

          Not wanting to be robbed by bosses and landlords is utopia, now? And you talk about it as if it was some theory that was never tried. Libertarian socialism already exists.

          can it be better sure but acting like communism is better is just flat out stupid.

          Because…? Can you even define what you mean with ‘communism’, or is it just some nebulous threat you got programmed to be afraid of? Not all socialists are Stalinists, which is what you seem to be implying…

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          Capitalism is naivest utopia. There is no invisible limbs, monopoly will eventually form.

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      And people who thinks it’s either capitalism or communism are dumb fucks.

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          It’s not the ‘-isms’, my guy.

          It’s people. Flawed beings making and interacting with flawed systems.

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              It takes people to enact policies around the -isms and to make the -isms themselves

              The OP said “…-ism is the real cancer upon society”. I was pointing out that people are the real cancer of society. It doesn’t matter what “-ism” you want to stand behind, there will always be issues because humanity is fundamentally broken.

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                humanity is fundamentally broken

                I’d argue that humanity and an -ism aren’t that different in this context – arbitrary linguistic form aside, they both refer to abstract collectives.

                But ultimately, I still don’t see the logic in separating humanity from the systems it created and uses. Fixing one fixes the other, in bilateral fashion.

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        Thinking that memes like this aren’t just tankies who think the ussr was a tragic loss is hilarious. This is tankie shit.