This guy has balls the size of western Europe.
Good, they’ll weigh him down nicely enough when his countrymen hang him
And why would they do that?
Turning a country into a prison that people desperately try to escape by crossing the border through rivers/mountains (and often die trying), or by going to the “aggressor” controlled territories (remind me please, how many Poles or even better Jews were escaping their countries and fleeing to Germany during WW2 because it was safer there for them?) and people getting kidnapped, beaten, held in basemenets for days, tortured and even killed by the brave “recruitment officers” of Zelensky’s regime seems like good enough reason for me.
Especially the last part sounds a lot like propaganda. Do you have any sources on this? Preferably not from media that has ties to Russia.
The US will dispose of him well before that ever happens. He has outlived his usefulness to US empire.
Completely meaningless given that NATO requires unanimous agreement by all the existing members. Everybody knows that this will never happen, so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.
so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.
I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don’t know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to ‘cling’ to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.
If he gave a shit about the Ukraine he would’ve signed the Istanbul agreements two weeks into the war. This scumbag is responsible for destroying the country at the behest of the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been under imperial domination since 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown there. Zelensky also isn’t representing anybody because he cancelled elections. The fact that there are still people who try to frame him as some here is absolutely surreal.
The more important part of his statement is “for peace”.
He had plenty of opportunities to achieve piece starting with implementing Minsk agreements before the war started, signing the agreement in Istanbul two weeks into the war, and numerous other opportunities after. Each time he rejected peace and continued facilitating the destruction of Ukraine.
just pointing out that NATO is not going to happen. Stepping down offer is mainly for peace by someone else.
If this really will never happen, Putin should promise the same, and see what happens. :)
That ship has sailed: Putin tried to get Russia into NATO decades ago.
Actions speak louder than words, and I believe Zelenskyy would. Great example of leadership.
Something like yesterday or so General Secretary of NATO said membership for Ukraine was never proposed, which is most certainly a lie, but it is also most certainly a current NATO position. So it’s just empty posturing on the side of Zelensky.
This is just words.
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Nato membership for Ukraine is a no go for Russia, whose approval is actually needed to end the war. Also neither the US or most of European countries keen on having Ukraine in EU, especially when the war is still going on. Zelensky is just fucking with everybody here and insulting everybody’s intelligence. He is not ready to step down, he is holding on for his dear life.
- Russia has no say on NATO membership they can grind their teeth and whine like a baby as much as they want.
It is assumed putini will instruct dumpy to block it anyway and they can’t be members until the war is over.
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Everything you see in regards to Ukraine for the next few months will be about setting up negotiations zelensky stepping down is part of that.
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Zelensky has been president for nearly 5 years most of that while at war, I don’t blame him in wanting to step down.
Russia has no say on NATO membership they can grind their teeth and whine like a baby as much as they want.
No, if or the EU leaders insists on Ukraine getting into Nato, then Russia will just keep the war going and end Ukraine as a state if they have to. They of course don’t want that burden, but they are very ready and capable of doing that. That is their veto regarding Ukrainian nato membership.
It’s even easier now that US is pulling out. Why would the Russians ever give concessions like that to Ukraine now? Is west going to sanction Russia even more? Give Ukraine more of the ever more anemic amounts of weapons?
Plus every European country knows that taking Ukraine into Nato while the war is going on is like vote if they want to escalate this thing over Ukraine into a hot war against Russia that will go nuclear. Ukrainians themselves of course want that outcome. For them it would be just more bodies dying with them and for them, since they can’t seem to accept anything else than their vision on total victory. These Zelensky’s idiotic words just confirm that even more. That is also why unless a miracle happens and despite the talk form Ukraine and EU leaders Ukraine is never getting into Nato. That’s just a fact. Ukraine lost, get over it. Than fuck “the orange man” and his team has some sense in this regard.
Very useful of him. Ukraine needs leadership that can make peace with Russia, and still keep Kherson, Odessa, or leave up to referendums where they go. Zelensky wouldn’t win election anyway. War was obviously big mistake, and looking to US/west for “protection” or terrorism support is just too high of a price to pay.
Zelensky can’t be part of future of Ukraine, but it is very helpful for him to step down. Focus should be on trade instead of war.
Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder. The only guarantee NATO gives is a knife in the back. Ask the Kurds about it.
Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder.
So, don’t defend your home from a foreign invader unless you’re allowed into NATO? This doesn’t make any sense.
Ukraine is now destroyed, they are not in NATO. And they have a massive debt to America.
This makes a lot of sense 🤠👍
I swear this thread is full of some of the dumbest comments in the history of Lemmy.
It’s full of Russian bots, many of these comments don’t make sense in any context except blind propaganda against Ukraine
Provide an example of a “Russian bot” in this thread, keen observer. State solid reasons why they are a bot, and why their comments are “blind propaganda against Ukraine”.
NATO (Stoltenberg) proudly rejected Putin’s offer to avoid the war by refusing to ever admit Ukraine. Was evil war from the start, and was never intended to end well for Ukraine.
