I guess you have to try one. I got a samsung fold 3, i loved it. Then, when my contract ended, i got a fold 6. I would have a hard time going back to a standard phone tbh.
My wife said she wouldnt get a folding phone but when i got my fold 6 i offered her my fold 3. She ended up really liking it and wants to get a newer fold when her contract ends.
So theres me, who knew i wanted one and am happy with it to the point where i cant go back. And my wife, who didnt want one but after trying one for a few weeks, said she got it now and would be upgrading to a newer fold when the time comes.
They need to get these in peoples hands if they want to sell them better.
If I want a bigger screen, I’m reaching for a laptop or desktop, not a phone with a self-destructing screen. I expect my gear to last at least 5 years, preferably 10.
My desktop and laptop are too clunky for day to day stuff. There are a wide range of things i now do on my phone that would be less than possible on a normal phone screen.
I dont blame you for not seeing the benefits. Like i said earlier, you need to try it to get it.
As for a self destructing screen, its nonsense. There are 5 people at my work that have folding phones. There are 2 fold 4’s 2 fold 5’s and a fold 3 as well as my fold 6, theres also my wife who has my 3 year old fold 3 and my brother who now has a pixel fold and no one has a broken screen. Oh! My mum and her partner both had flip 3 phones and have just bought the flip 6s and her partner ended up getting a fold 5 last year. No broken screens.
If you know anyone who has broken a folding screen, that person would have a brokwn screen regardless of having a folding phone or not. The amount of broken screens or damages cases i see in my day to day is insane.
I know even all of the examples i gave are anecdotal, but your claim about self destructive screens is simply false and not backed up with anything.
I expect to have my fold 6 in 5 years still as good as when i bought it.
I remember there being an uproar about folding screens developing visible seams after a while. I would consider that a failure.
Unless your folding phone also has a physical keyboard and a serious non-toy operating system, I fail to see how it can practically replace a laptop or desktop.
What do you mean by seam? Do you mean the crease?
If so, it is nothing. I’ve never even close to cared about it, and in all my time using these phones, it hasnt been a problem, even once.
If you mean something else, then please elaborate because i dont know about it.
In regards to it replacing a laptop or desktop, that’s not what it’s for. It can replace some of the functions of a laptop or desktop, i can game on it using apps or streaming from my ps5, or emulators with an external controller like a gamesir make it into a respectable handheld.
I can comfortably manage emails, shopping, web browsing, lemmy, social media, photo and video editing. I also use it for playing music (displaying sheet music) and composing music with cubase elements and fl studio. It also works as a midi controller for various insteuments and effects processors.
Im sorry but just because you dont see the use cases, it doesn’t mean there isn’t any. Arguing against folding phones is almost the same as arguing against tablets. Which have a decades long legacy of being extremely useful.
But again. I dont replace my laptop or desktop with this thing. I replace some functions and i compliment or augment others.
> I can comfortably manage emails, shopping, web browsing, lemmy, social media
Without a real keyboard? How? I find the experience of doing such things on a touchscreen infuriatingly slow and error-prone. That’s why I’m using a desktop to write this post.
> Arguing against folding phones is almost the same as arguing against tablets.
Because my keyboard looks like this. It’s fast enough, and if you learn how to use shortcuts, suggestions, and cursor control etc its easy in its own way.
Maybe you just dont spend enough time with touchscreens because of your clear disdane for them.
Tablets aren’t a flop. Estimates say there are at least 1 billion users worldwide, and they have a lot of niche functionality not provided by laptops, as i have previously mentioned.
Regardless. You, a none foldable user who clearly thinks desktops/laptops are the best user experience and most functional, telling me, a foldable phone user who has both a desktop, and a laptop, and i work in IT on a laptop daily that my foldable is not a perfectly reasonable and legitimate user experience is a bit odd.
I have experience of both, you have experience of one (or so it seems based on your posts) and you are telling me i am wrong about my experience because you dont think it’s possible. It’s just a bit rich…
I know you might think you dont need to use one to conclude you won’t like one. But i contend that after having one as a daily driver for almost 4 years, I could not go back to a non foldable. It would be too restricting.
On the contrary, my disdain for touchscreens is a result of spending far too *much* time with them. A larger, foldable screen isn’t going to solve that problem.
A phone with a real keyboard would solve that problem—I loved my Droid 3 and miss it terribly—but for reasons I absolutely cannot fathom, no phone manufacturer wants to make a truly good phone any more.
I don’t know what estimates you speak of, but I manage a website, and the monthly tablet users on it is basically zero.
Sounds like you aren’t the market for touch screen devices. Most people get on with them just fine.
A phone with a slide out keyboard with buttons so tiny that only a mouse could use them? Sorry to exaggerate a bit, but it’s a 4 inch screen. That keyboard must be awkard. I guess a blackberry would have suited you, too?
The reason they dont make physical keyboards for phones much anymore is be ause they dont work well and people dont like them.
You manage a website? What’s your monthly hit count? How many of those users have foldables? Can you rely on the user agent to identify a tablet? Or is it possible that they just appear the same as a phone? Or a foldable? (it is). What if they use desktop mode? do you think your websites number of tablet users is representative of the overall global users?
I used google to determine the number of tablet users globally and averaged a number from multiple sources.
Tbh, it seems like your view is “if it doesn’t line up with my preconceived ideas, then it must not be true”
But i dont have £1700 to hand to buy it outright and buying on finance direct from samsung cost more than half what i pay on my contract per month. The contract is with o2 and they offer a separate airtime and phone plan. They are independant of one another. It would have cost more to buy separate with the airtime plan i have and the discounts i applied and extras i got for free with this particular contract.
I dont think that’s fair to say. Would you apply the same logic to a house or a car?
Of course, i could pay for this phone in a single month, but then i wouldn’t have enough for gas or electricity for my home. Or to pay for my car, or for food or anything i might need that month.
Even the biggest companies in the world borrow to pay for things. Spreading the cost is a perfectly acceptable and legitimate way to pay for something.
I save for other things. I have my bills, and i have my savings.
Whilst i appreciate the financial advice, i would prefer a less matter of fact approach to calling me irresponsible
No, thats fair. I struggle to figure out when so.eone is being confrontational even irl.
I think its a good standpoint to have, saving to buy is a good way to stay out of debt. The only downside is when it comes to buying a house, if you dont have a credit history, then you might fail the credit checks because theres no proof you can stick to repayments.
Things like phone contracts and bills help with that. It may even be worth getting a credit card to pay for groceries and then paying back the credit card with your wages each month, with the money you would have spent on groceries anyway, just to build your credit score.
I dont use saving on phones. I use them on car and house repairs. On my kids clothes etc.
But you do you, and I’ll do me. Im managing just fine and im not poor (at least not relative to other people in my circles) (obviously most people are poor, its all about perspective, but thats neither hear nor there)
Here in the US, it’s not, carriers do Equipment Installment Plans as the new “contract” but they’re all 0% interest for the most part, so it just the outright price of the phone broken across 24 months (or the option of 36 on AT&T iirc)
I guess you have to try one. I got a samsung fold 3, i loved it. Then, when my contract ended, i got a fold 6. I would have a hard time going back to a standard phone tbh.
My wife said she wouldnt get a folding phone but when i got my fold 6 i offered her my fold 3. She ended up really liking it and wants to get a newer fold when her contract ends.
So theres me, who knew i wanted one and am happy with it to the point where i cant go back. And my wife, who didnt want one but after trying one for a few weeks, said she got it now and would be upgrading to a newer fold when the time comes.
They need to get these in peoples hands if they want to sell them better.
If I want a bigger screen, I’m reaching for a laptop or desktop, not a phone with a self-destructing screen. I expect my gear to last at least 5 years, preferably 10.
My desktop and laptop are too clunky for day to day stuff. There are a wide range of things i now do on my phone that would be less than possible on a normal phone screen.
I dont blame you for not seeing the benefits. Like i said earlier, you need to try it to get it.
As for a self destructing screen, its nonsense. There are 5 people at my work that have folding phones. There are 2 fold 4’s 2 fold 5’s and a fold 3 as well as my fold 6, theres also my wife who has my 3 year old fold 3 and my brother who now has a pixel fold and no one has a broken screen. Oh! My mum and her partner both had flip 3 phones and have just bought the flip 6s and her partner ended up getting a fold 5 last year. No broken screens.
If you know anyone who has broken a folding screen, that person would have a brokwn screen regardless of having a folding phone or not. The amount of broken screens or damages cases i see in my day to day is insane.
I know even all of the examples i gave are anecdotal, but your claim about self destructive screens is simply false and not backed up with anything.
I expect to have my fold 6 in 5 years still as good as when i bought it.
@Mr_Dr_Oink
I remember there being an uproar about folding screens developing visible seams after a while. I would consider that a failure.
Unless your folding phone also has a physical keyboard and a serious non-toy operating system, I fail to see how it can practically replace a laptop or desktop.
What do you mean by seam? Do you mean the crease? If so, it is nothing. I’ve never even close to cared about it, and in all my time using these phones, it hasnt been a problem, even once.
If you mean something else, then please elaborate because i dont know about it.
In regards to it replacing a laptop or desktop, that’s not what it’s for. It can replace some of the functions of a laptop or desktop, i can game on it using apps or streaming from my ps5, or emulators with an external controller like a gamesir make it into a respectable handheld. I can comfortably manage emails, shopping, web browsing, lemmy, social media, photo and video editing. I also use it for playing music (displaying sheet music) and composing music with cubase elements and fl studio. It also works as a midi controller for various insteuments and effects processors.
Im sorry but just because you dont see the use cases, it doesn’t mean there isn’t any. Arguing against folding phones is almost the same as arguing against tablets. Which have a decades long legacy of being extremely useful.
But again. I dont replace my laptop or desktop with this thing. I replace some functions and i compliment or augment others.
@Mr_Dr_Oink
> I can comfortably manage emails, shopping, web browsing, lemmy, social media
Without a real keyboard? How? I find the experience of doing such things on a touchscreen infuriatingly slow and error-prone. That’s why I’m using a desktop to write this post.
> Arguing against folding phones is almost the same as arguing against tablets.
That’s not saying much. Tablets have been a flop.
Because my keyboard looks like this. It’s fast enough, and if you learn how to use shortcuts, suggestions, and cursor control etc its easy in its own way.
Maybe you just dont spend enough time with touchscreens because of your clear disdane for them.
Tablets aren’t a flop. Estimates say there are at least 1 billion users worldwide, and they have a lot of niche functionality not provided by laptops, as i have previously mentioned.
Regardless. You, a none foldable user who clearly thinks desktops/laptops are the best user experience and most functional, telling me, a foldable phone user who has both a desktop, and a laptop, and i work in IT on a laptop daily that my foldable is not a perfectly reasonable and legitimate user experience is a bit odd.
I have experience of both, you have experience of one (or so it seems based on your posts) and you are telling me i am wrong about my experience because you dont think it’s possible. It’s just a bit rich…
I know you might think you dont need to use one to conclude you won’t like one. But i contend that after having one as a daily driver for almost 4 years, I could not go back to a non foldable. It would be too restricting.
@Mr_Dr_Oink
On the contrary, my disdain for touchscreens is a result of spending far too *much* time with them. A larger, foldable screen isn’t going to solve that problem.
A phone with a real keyboard would solve that problem—I loved my Droid 3 and miss it terribly—but for reasons I absolutely cannot fathom, no phone manufacturer wants to make a truly good phone any more.
I don’t know what estimates you speak of, but I manage a website, and the monthly tablet users on it is basically zero.
Sounds like you aren’t the market for touch screen devices. Most people get on with them just fine.
A phone with a slide out keyboard with buttons so tiny that only a mouse could use them? Sorry to exaggerate a bit, but it’s a 4 inch screen. That keyboard must be awkard. I guess a blackberry would have suited you, too?
The reason they dont make physical keyboards for phones much anymore is be ause they dont work well and people dont like them.
You manage a website? What’s your monthly hit count? How many of those users have foldables? Can you rely on the user agent to identify a tablet? Or is it possible that they just appear the same as a phone? Or a foldable? (it is). What if they use desktop mode? do you think your websites number of tablet users is representative of the overall global users?
I used google to determine the number of tablet users globally and averaged a number from multiple sources.
Tbh, it seems like your view is “if it doesn’t line up with my preconceived ideas, then it must not be true”
Which isnt a great way to look at things.
Btw, getting a phone on contract is usually more expensive than getting the phone and the contract separately.
Esit: seems a more Europe thing.
But i dont have £1700 to hand to buy it outright and buying on finance direct from samsung cost more than half what i pay on my contract per month. The contract is with o2 and they offer a separate airtime and phone plan. They are independant of one another. It would have cost more to buy separate with the airtime plan i have and the discounts i applied and extras i got for free with this particular contract.
If you don’t have those 1700£ to buy it outright maybe you shouldn’t be using a 1700£ phone and focus on saving up
I dont think that’s fair to say. Would you apply the same logic to a house or a car?
Of course, i could pay for this phone in a single month, but then i wouldn’t have enough for gas or electricity for my home. Or to pay for my car, or for food or anything i might need that month.
Even the biggest companies in the world borrow to pay for things. Spreading the cost is a perfectly acceptable and legitimate way to pay for something.
I save for other things. I have my bills, and i have my savings.
Whilst i appreciate the financial advice, i would prefer a less matter of fact approach to calling me irresponsible
Personally I apply that logic to everything except a house (so I hopefully can afford a house one day)
Sorry if it came across rude, didn’t mean it like that
No, thats fair. I struggle to figure out when so.eone is being confrontational even irl.
I think its a good standpoint to have, saving to buy is a good way to stay out of debt. The only downside is when it comes to buying a house, if you dont have a credit history, then you might fail the credit checks because theres no proof you can stick to repayments.
Things like phone contracts and bills help with that. It may even be worth getting a credit card to pay for groceries and then paying back the credit card with your wages each month, with the money you would have spent on groceries anyway, just to build your credit score.
I dont use saving on phones. I use them on car and house repairs. On my kids clothes etc.
But you do you, and I’ll do me. Im managing just fine and im not poor (at least not relative to other people in my circles) (obviously most people are poor, its all about perspective, but thats neither hear nor there)
Here in the US, it’s not, carriers do Equipment Installment Plans as the new “contract” but they’re all 0% interest for the most part, so it just the outright price of the phone broken across 24 months (or the option of 36 on AT&T iirc)