Moderation is work. Trolls traumatize. Humans powertrip.
Correct.
All this could be resolved via AI.
Incorrect, for all the same reasons that facial recognition in ‘AI’ is unethical. All theftboxes adversarial networks are built by humans, most of whom in the ‘AI’ space come standard-equipped with built in racist biases. You see it all the time in facial recognition algorithms that couldn’t tell the difference between a hundred Black people if you ran 'em all side by side. The same thing would happen with AI moderators; they will more likely than not moderate to right-wing white sensibilities, over-target and powertrip on ethnic minorities, and only really contribute to the general ‘apartheid-supporter’ vibe that most of the western internet has.
tl;dr please stop going to bat for theftboxes and the techbro STEMlords who build them.
every time one of these creeps comes in concern trolling with some big bold idea for “fixing” problems with moderation it’s because they are a creep who got banned for being a creep.
Also of course one of their posts is in there removed for NSFW and I ain’t even gonna look at the context on that one. The lemmy.ml modlog on this guy is an entire page long. On other instances it gets even longer.
Go look at YouTube, they are already doing it over there.
And it’s horrible. Sometimes my comments are taken down automatically, but YouTube never tells me why, so I don’t know what I need to change, and it’s even hard to find out if my comments have been taken down. The fastest way is for me to write a comment and then wait 10 seconds and then try to edit it.
You’re asking for something better but what’s your baseline? What are you measuring? What’s your metric? How would you know if it got better, and more importantly, how would we as a user base in general know if it got better?
But they can be checked and balanced by other moderators unless it’s a one mod/one admin system; in which case then it’s just a personal fief. Where’s the checks and/or balances for theftbox moderation?
Y’know, if I had a physical watch, I’d be looking at my wrist really condescendingly right now.
I sure as shit wouldn’t. Did you even read any of what frauddogg just said? Genuine question because they explained pretty clearly why it is a terrible and stupid idea.
Correct.
Incorrect, for all the same reasons that facial recognition in ‘AI’ is unethical. All
theftboxesadversarial networks are built by humans, most of whom in the ‘AI’ space come standard-equipped with built in racist biases. You see it all the time in facial recognition algorithms that couldn’t tell the difference between a hundred Black people if you ran 'em all side by side. The same thing would happen with AI moderators; they will more likely than not moderate to right-wing white sensibilities, over-target and powertrip on ethnic minorities, and only really contribute to the general ‘apartheid-supporter’ vibe that most of the western internet has.tl;dr please stop going to bat for theftboxes and the techbro STEMlords who build them.
oh hay look. Of course this is some weirdo who spams creep shit like this all over.
What the unholy fuck
every time one of these creeps comes in concern trolling with some big bold idea for “fixing” problems with moderation it’s because they are a creep who got banned for being a creep.
Also of course one of their posts is in there removed for NSFW and I ain’t even gonna look at the context on that one. The lemmy.ml modlog on this guy is an entire page long. On other instances it gets even longer.
Good looking out; I wasn’t even THINKING about modlogging this guy 'cause I really only took him for the average techbro
More fools me ig lmfao
lmao we broke him he’s just whining about safe spaces now.
Fascists always show their whole ass so easily.
Scratch a techbro, a lolbert bleeds
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This is a safe space for us, because we judiciously ban racist gooner brain fascists and libs like you.
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Shut the fuck up loser.
Annnnnnnd we’re done. Y’know, it’s hilarious: this is the exact kind of thing I expect a theftbox moderator to leave alone.
I scrolled through the modlog on their home instance and like clockwork…
CW: transphobia
What if it worked 90%? It doesn’t need to be perfect, just better.
I’d like to see an experiment.
Go look at YouTube, they are already doing it over there.
And it’s horrible. Sometimes my comments are taken down automatically, but YouTube never tells me why, so I don’t know what I need to change, and it’s even hard to find out if my comments have been taken down. The fastest way is for me to write a comment and then wait 10 seconds and then try to edit it.
You’re asking for something better but what’s your baseline? What are you measuring? What’s your metric? How would you know if it got better, and more importantly, how would we as a user base in general know if it got better?
An injustice against one of us is an injustice against all of us. 90% isn’t good enough. Hell, 99% isn’t good enough.
But human moderators aren’t perfect either. And they are often biased.
Human moderators who tweak the AI settings are still biased. So you haven’t solved any problem by throwing AI in the middleof it all.
But they can be checked and balanced by other moderators unless it’s a one mod/one admin system; in which case then it’s just a personal fief. Where’s the checks and/or balances for theftbox moderation?
Y’know, if I had a physical watch, I’d be looking at my wrist really condescendingly right now.
AIs can be checked too. And judged, tweaked, etc. Obviously
Groups of moderators can be just as biased as individual moderators. More so even. Given the amplifying effects of echo chambers.
I sure as shit wouldn’t. Did you even read any of what frauddogg just said? Genuine question because they explained pretty clearly why it is a terrible and stupid idea.
Yes I read it. I just don’t think it significates.
And this is something you should reexamine about yourself then if you don’t understand the significance of racism and other bigoted biases in AI.
I am pretty much done arguing with you because you’re a creep and a troll.
Nice word-a-day calender, creepazoid
You don’t even want to see an experiment? But that’s the pudding.
I repeat. Did you actually read any of the concrete argument laid out before you or are you just being willfully obtuse.