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    26 days ago

    The sooner we realize the “left vs right” battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we’re much stronger together.

    Unless you’re a Nazi, then you can get fucked.

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    24 days ago

    It’s not about fucking left and right – It’s a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.

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    25 days ago

    My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.

    I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.

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    24 days ago

    Right winger means “person who shoots CEOs”? Well tattoo a swastika on my forehead and call me traditional because I love right wing ideology now.

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    25 days ago

    This is not about class solidarity. If he’s right (as in correct) he’s right. To deny that because we don’t agree on eventing is stupid

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    26 days ago

    Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.

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      26 days ago

      A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.

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        26 days ago

        Absolutely. I feel empathy for the United CEOs family, while also recognizing they are going to be financially fine. They also have a chance to reflect on any grief and how affected families may not be sympathetic for valid reasons. Whether they do or not depends on whether they value healing, or greed/retribution.

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              Why does it need defending? I’m not saying they are deserving of the same fate as Brian, but I don’t feel bad for them for no longer having such a vile man around. If they are good people as you say, they would rejoice as well.

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                22 days ago

                “They are nearly as demented as him.” That’s why. I don’t know any of those people, but this whole “sins of the father” bullshit doesn’t fly in the modern world. They aren’t responsible for what a douchebag he was, or anything he did a UHC. In fact it looks like at least his wife figured out he was a douchebag since she left him. So I’m just wondering what your source for the claim was.

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    23 days ago

    I’m not necessarily convinced either, it does seem really convenient how they found him.

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    26 days ago

    The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.

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      Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

      • George Orwell, 1984

      The practical ethos of every authoritarian in history (including the self-styled “champions of the proletariat”) is:

      It’s not just that I have a lot; it’s that I must always have more than everyone else, and they must be compelled to desire this. Forever.

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      25 days ago

      I’d argue that, among the working class, the right wing of the political spectrum represents either the expectation/ambition to gain much more than others, or distrust of the left, commonly driven by following capitalist BS or having certain reservations or misunderstandings.

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        That’s just economics though

        The right still pushes for religious liberties and gender identity while the left looks to abolish those things

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          Left and right are primarily economic, and we can only look at one axis at a time.

          Otherwise, what you would call, idk, a devout Christian commune where people share everything? Left, because they’re equals, or right, because religion?

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            You would call one opinion right and one left, you already know what a political compass looks like and they would fall into economically left, socially right quadrant until you find other beliefs

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              Then we should define social left and right and keep it separate, and have one type of left and right as default (probably economic) or always mention it.

              Because otherwise there’s a giant field for manipulations.

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    I couldn’t give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.

    It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.

    I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.

    I’m not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn’t really my problem. That being said, I’m more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the “economic ladder” let me tell you, it’s pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I’m upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked… for free.

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      25 days ago

      Serious question… If you believe in social programs then, wherever you are, what makes you “right leaning”?

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        Are you asking all of us? I’m personally a constitutionalist. That never used to be right-leaning, but it’s now forced in that camp. Im also a staunch supporter of biological women’s sports staying that way, and opening categories that incorporate trans men and trans women together in one. Much more interesting sporting that way anyway. Includes everyone, you’ll see more trans men in sports (very few if none as of now) and you get to keep biological women sports as fair as possible.

        Evil, I know. 🙄

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            Sports forced me to what?

            In my reply, I said I’m a constitutionalist. It used to be a thing that wasn’t defined as right-wing, but whatever the new DNC left has become, they’re the ones who are insisting constitutionalists are right-leaning.

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                Sports didn’t. The vocal left insisting that I’m “right” because I want to keep biological women’s spaces for biological women. We can open other categories for trans people to participate in. We can give rights without others being forced to give up their own.

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          Thanks for answering… Personally my thought is that anyone should be allowed to compete in any sport they qualify for… Just add more league levels. Don’t have to name them in a hierarchical way. Sort of like heavy weight vs feather weight… The competition is still going to be good because you’ve divided athletes by ability level, not something as arbitrary as sex or gender assigned at birth. If a woman or trans person can somehow compete with men (assigned at birth) in the NFL, I wanna see that shit. Sure you’d probably just end up with a league full of women, less talented men, and trans people, but at least they’d all be competitive in that league. Shit, maybe if there were some trans women or less skilled men in the “women’s” leagues people might actually watch them. Idk… I’m definitely talking out of turn; personally I think organized sports are as bad for society as organized religion.

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            It’s gets super convoluted at that point. Men and women who have switched genders by way of hormones is an easy solution. You can have the same league levels as we do now, not have to make up a whole bunch of new ones, and you keep women’s sports for assigned at birth

            To be clear, mens sports are usually open sports, they started being called men sports when women had to open up their own, but I think anyone can partake. They don’t, because they lose, and it makes it not fun. So open categories aren’t an answer. But a hormone competitions are a great one. :)

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    He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.

    I don’t know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn’t seem very Right Wing thing to do