• ZephrC@lemm.ee
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    I support any country’s right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.

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      Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia’s imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.

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          Eastern Ukraine has a lot of natural gas, actually. Plus Ukraine has a lot of pipelines for getting that natural gas into the rest of Europe. Technically not oil, but one of the main objectives of the war was absolutely about controlling Europe’s access to fossil fuels.

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            The shorter term goal is for Russian oligarchs to sell Europe gas via pipeline so their kids can get education in Europe.

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          Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don’t quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.

          I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia’s largest export after all.

          All of that isn’t meant to excuse Russia; it’s unethical to murder for oil. But it’s intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.

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            Is Russia not the supplier of oil for Europe anyway? They are just rerouting it via India, knowing well they cannot have any alternative. I do not see the motive to “invade” Ukraine for “oil”. Russia is only fortifying Donbass as an independent state from Ukraine due to the horrors inflicted since 2014 US coup.

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              It’s really not hard to understand. Ukraine discovered huge gas deposits in Donbass, which threatened Muskovy’s ability to control the price like they wanted. There was no US coup, and the horrors inflicted have been from Muskovy.