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    8 months ago

    Young people? How about Democrat party leadership? If you need certain people to vote for you, then you have to earn their votes! How is this so hard to understand?

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      8 months ago

      because that attitude only helps the objectively more horrible politicians. how is this so hard to understand?

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          8 months ago

          stakes are far too high to have the luxury of this brain dead take.

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            8 months ago

            Stakes are so high, but Dem leadership believes that supporting a genocide is more important than winning an election? Talk about brain dead.

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              8 months ago

              how about refusing to acknowledge that repubs would do the same or worse with this situation? no sane person thinks the situation is great. but brain dead is making a voting issue out of this when it isn’t one.

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                I’m trying to convince essentially one guy to stop supporting genocide. People like you have the unenviable task of convincing millions of people to vote for a guy who currently supports genocide. The election isn’t happening tomorrow, why don’t you put your efforts into convincing your party leaders to adopt saner positions rather than bullying people who are genuinely and rightly outraged at what our country is and isn’t doing in regards to it’s support of Israel?

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                  8 months ago

                  once again, you’re making this into a voting issue when it isn’t one because neither party is interested in taking your preferred stance. naturally, withholding a vote because of this makes no sense especially when the stakes on other important issues are so high.

                  I understand how strongly you feel about this issue. I agree with your feelings about it. I would love to see the Israeli govt get pulverised for what they are doing. and it is objectively atrocious in every way that they are supported.

                  I can also use my brain to logically determine that refusing to vote dem is likely to put power into the hands of those who will do worse both on this specific issue and many others. voting for Biden might not make it better, but doing anything else will definitely make it worse. and that’s the brain dead choice.

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                    8 months ago

                    The brain dead choice is allowing yourself to be literally without political agency. I have a list of things I care about, and there isn’t really anything higher than “not doing genocide”. I’m never going to change my mind about that, and I’m never going to listen to anyone who says “of course genocide is bad, but…”. Are you making your opposition to genocide known to your party leaders? Are you supporting efforts to get them to notice the significance of electorate opposition to genocide? Your efforts are better spent doing that kind of thing over the coming months, than arguing with me.