Not OP but gonna explain a bit about it nonetheless:
Other than the US use (generally meaning anarcho-capitalist, selfishly ignorant or both), libertarian is just the opposite pole of the “how much do we let people control us” axis from authoritarian.
So basically a left-libertarian (which is a big spectrum of different political philosophies) is broadly speaking someone who doesn’t believe in inherent authority but DOES believe in rules and various degrees of enforcement to defend the powerless from the powerful.
but DOES believe in rules and various degrees of enforcement to defend the powerless from the powerful.
So, kind of a soft government? What about roads and utilities? What really turns me off of libertarian is the belief that people have to pay for their own roads and fireman. The rich will only survive then, kind of like how our healthcare is right now. But if you’re saying that the government is ran more like a co-op, then I get it.
I guess you could say that, in the sense that the government (if any. See below)would be much more of a helper and a support for regular people who aren’t rich and powerful than a ruler and an enforcer working for those that are.
What about roads and utilities?
Paid for and maintained by the people in general, specifics vary wildly across the hundreds of millions of left-libertarians worldwide. Personally, I believe that financing and administrating such thing is quintessential supportive government stuff. An anarchist would disagree with me, opposing all government or at least all except very local government.
What really turns me off of libertarian is the belief that people have to pay for their own roads and fireman. The rich will only survive then, kind of like how our healthcare is right now.
Yeah, right-libertarianism is basically “survival of the already most privileged” dressed up (with varying degrees of success) in misleading rhetoric about self-determination…
if you’re saying that the government is ran more like a co-op, then I get it.
Ideally, all organisations would be co-ops and the government would be an administrative non-profit co-op of sorts run by and for those of the people with the most aptitude and uncorrupt interest in doing such work.
That’s just my personal take, though, there’s hundreds if not thousands of left-libertarian ideologies and I don’t agree with all of the specifics of any one of them…
No. Liberalism is a center-right to right wing ideology that’s inherently capitalistic and permissive towards business. If Rupert Murdoch was still in Australia, he’d be supporting the Liberal Party.
Libertarian is liberal right on that compass.
Only the ahistorical and deliberately misleading US definition.
I’m not in the US, no, but am intimately familiar with most of the terms, themes and national level events as I’ve been following and debating thoroughly for half my so far 40 years lol, so you don’t have to worry about me not getting it 🙂
That’s not what I mean, I know you will get it. But US politics has a lot of misinformation going on, mixing up terms the US uses for certain things can make the misinformation thrive. In US terms, you sound like a liberal. You don’t want a nanny state, you want a government owned by the people.
Ah ok, sorry about that. I get a lot of people assuming that, so I was the one making an ass out of you and me this time 😁
As for the rest, I think I’m just going to leave it be since I’ve described the broad strokes pretty accurately already and it’s semi-late here so I’m gonna go catch some Zs if I can. Sleep tight yourself when you get that far!
They aren’t confusing the terms. It’s just that “libertarians” in the US are largely viewed as right-wing anti-authority, whereas on the global stage, they’re kindof like normal anarchist-lite. If you say, “well that’s not very specific”, then yes that’s correct.
It’s kind of like when the UK says fanny, they mean vagina and the US means butt. It does and will cause misinformation to thrive. Just because we have 2 different meanings, that doesn’t mean either is wrong.
Not OP but gonna explain a bit about it nonetheless:
Other than the US use (generally meaning anarcho-capitalist, selfishly ignorant or both), libertarian is just the opposite pole of the “how much do we let people control us” axis from authoritarian.
So basically a left-libertarian (which is a big spectrum of different political philosophies) is broadly speaking someone who doesn’t believe in inherent authority but DOES believe in rules and various degrees of enforcement to defend the powerless from the powerful.
So, kind of a soft government? What about roads and utilities? What really turns me off of libertarian is the belief that people have to pay for their own roads and fireman. The rich will only survive then, kind of like how our healthcare is right now. But if you’re saying that the government is ran more like a co-op, then I get it.
I guess you could say that, in the sense that the government (if any. See below)would be much more of a helper and a support for regular people who aren’t rich and powerful than a ruler and an enforcer working for those that are.
Paid for and maintained by the people in general, specifics vary wildly across the hundreds of millions of left-libertarians worldwide. Personally, I believe that financing and administrating such thing is quintessential supportive government stuff. An anarchist would disagree with me, opposing all government or at least all except very local government.
Yeah, right-libertarianism is basically “survival of the already most privileged” dressed up (with varying degrees of success) in misleading rhetoric about self-determination…
Ideally, all organisations would be co-ops and the government would be an administrative non-profit co-op of sorts run by and for those of the people with the most aptitude and uncorrupt interest in doing such work.
That’s just my personal take, though, there’s hundreds if not thousands of left-libertarian ideologies and I don’t agree with all of the specifics of any one of them…
Good explanation!
Thanks! 🙂
Isn’t that left liberal? Libertarian is liberal right on that compass.
Right goes to laissez Faire markets and liberal is the opposite dimension of authoritarian.
One shame less in your life: you are not reading Ayn Rand.
No. Liberalism is a center-right to right wing ideology that’s inherently capitalistic and permissive towards business. If Rupert Murdoch was still in Australia, he’d be supporting the Liberal Party.
Only the ahistorical and deliberately misleading US definition.
Rupert Murdoch (through his media companies) still very much does support the Liberal party.
Good point. I meant he’d be supporting ONLY the Liberal Party but might as well be accurate 😁
So you’re not in the US? Confusing the terms makes it harder for the US, but probably easier for others ig.
I’m not in the US, no, but am intimately familiar with most of the terms, themes and national level events as I’ve been following and debating thoroughly for half my so far 40 years lol, so you don’t have to worry about me not getting it 🙂
That’s not what I mean, I know you will get it. But US politics has a lot of misinformation going on, mixing up terms the US uses for certain things can make the misinformation thrive. In US terms, you sound like a liberal. You don’t want a nanny state, you want a government owned by the people.
Ah ok, sorry about that. I get a lot of people assuming that, so I was the one making an ass out of you and me this time 😁
As for the rest, I think I’m just going to leave it be since I’ve described the broad strokes pretty accurately already and it’s semi-late here so I’m gonna go catch some Zs if I can. Sleep tight yourself when you get that far!
Thanks for explaining, I think I understand how I feel about things better now too.
You’re very welcome and I’m very happy if you do!
Unless you understand better that you love Ayn Rand now, of course 😛😆
They aren’t confusing the terms. It’s just that “libertarians” in the US are largely viewed as right-wing anti-authority, whereas on the global stage, they’re kindof like normal anarchist-lite. If you say, “well that’s not very specific”, then yes that’s correct.
It’s kind of like when the UK says fanny, they mean vagina and the US means butt. It does and will cause misinformation to thrive. Just because we have 2 different meanings, that doesn’t mean either is wrong.
They still aren’t confusing the terms. They made it very clear where they were coming from and now it’s been clarified further.
Do not demand that the discussion be as ignorant as you were at the start of it. That’s pathetic.
No that’s incorrect. The are right wing as in market liberal but also anti-authorian.
I get the impression that people write different things on their compass but mean the same thing.