You know how some subreddits would ban you if you posted in another one? That’s basically all this is. We’re on lemmy.world which is less guarded, so we’re lumped in with troublemakers.
Just like with reddit, the solution is to make a new account without affiliation to the defederated groups. There’s a bajillion smaller lemmys out there that will likely never get defederated, and it makes the most sense to have one of those be your home vs the largest instances, now that we can see this kind of problem will occur.
The beehaw admins have stated their hopeful end goal would be a federation whitelist, rather than the current blacklist format. So even if you were to make you own / join a smaller instance it seems like beehaw’s entire goal is to be walled off from most instances.
Like I said in another reply though, I just mostly feel bad for the tens of thousands of users who were inadvertently driven there by the site being near / at the top of the list of instances on the lemmy homepage, and now have to figure out if they need to make another account somewhere else.
But in reality it’s not like any of the majority of new users could possibly have so much of a “oh no all my posts!” moment if they really felt like they wanted to switch lol.
Not trying to argue with you as you are correct as far as i see it…
Having a whitelist federation List would be worse in my opinion cause it would effectively kill the whole “everyone can start his own small instance”. It would be a whole lot of work if every small instance has to get approval from the bigger instances to federate with them. And for the bigger instances to process all applications for federation.
No I completely agree, it’s entirely a weird and almost backwards move to be on a federated platform and then seemingly have your goals be at odds with the concept of federation with the majority of the platform.
And while I believe that, as an outside observer, it’s also important to realize that from the beehaw admin’s perspective they accidentally went from “dozens” to “tens of thousands” of users over the course of a few days.
At the end of the day it’s their site and they can do with it as they please, but I feel bad for all the users who were inadvertently guided there by the lemmy homepage listing them at the top, only to be at this weird crossroads now.
That is a very good point. I’m such a situation the only two choices are to make their community your home and okay by their rules (what many of us just left Reddit over) or ignore it and interact with the content and communities you can.
okay by their rules (what many of us just left Reddit over)
People are leaving Reddit over their moderation rules? I thought the CEO did something with the API.
But I mean, yeah, people who have compatible instance rules will federate and the people on those instances will have agreed to those rules. I think you might be overestimating how restrictive typical rules are, unless you think transphobia being called “not okay” is too restrictive.
You know how some subreddits would ban you if you posted in another one? That’s basically all this is. We’re on lemmy.world which is less guarded, so we’re lumped in with troublemakers.
Just like with reddit, the solution is to make a new account without affiliation to the defederated groups. There’s a bajillion smaller lemmys out there that will likely never get defederated, and it makes the most sense to have one of those be your home vs the largest instances, now that we can see this kind of problem will occur.
The beehaw admins have stated their hopeful end goal would be a federation whitelist, rather than the current blacklist format. So even if you were to make you own / join a smaller instance it seems like beehaw’s entire goal is to be walled off from most instances.
And in my opinion that’s fine, if you are a beehaw user and you disagree you can move to another place
Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said in another reply though, I just mostly feel bad for the tens of thousands of users who were inadvertently driven there by the site being near / at the top of the list of instances on the lemmy homepage, and now have to figure out if they need to make another account somewhere else.
But in reality it’s not like any of the majority of new users could possibly have so much of a “oh no all my posts!” moment if they really felt like they wanted to switch lol.
Not trying to argue with you as you are correct as far as i see it…
Having a whitelist federation List would be worse in my opinion cause it would effectively kill the whole “everyone can start his own small instance”. It would be a whole lot of work if every small instance has to get approval from the bigger instances to federate with them. And for the bigger instances to process all applications for federation.
No I completely agree, it’s entirely a weird and almost backwards move to be on a federated platform and then seemingly have your goals be at odds with the concept of federation with the majority of the platform.
And while I believe that, as an outside observer, it’s also important to realize that from the beehaw admin’s perspective they accidentally went from “dozens” to “tens of thousands” of users over the course of a few days.
At the end of the day it’s their site and they can do with it as they please, but I feel bad for all the users who were inadvertently guided there by the lemmy homepage listing them at the top, only to be at this weird crossroads now.
That is a very good point. I’m such a situation the only two choices are to make their community your home and okay by their rules (what many of us just left Reddit over) or ignore it and interact with the content and communities you can.
People are leaving Reddit over their moderation rules? I thought the CEO did something with the API.
But I mean, yeah, people who have compatible instance rules will federate and the people on those instances will have agreed to those rules. I think you might be overestimating how restrictive typical rules are, unless you think transphobia being called “not okay” is too restrictive.
redditors have been sick of reddit for ages and have been looking for an excuse to leave. this api drama is the excuse.
I meant that people are leaving Reddit over Reddit pulling up the walls around them and restricting who and how you can interact with their content.
I think it’s fair to consider the Reddit admins making unilateral decisions that drastically alter how users can use the platform as “their rules”.
Sounds like a good strategy!