Obviously illegal. Collective punishment is a war crime and makes Israel a monster. Imagine if there was a murderer in your building and the feds blew the entire building up.
Israel is willingly lead by a monster.
As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it’s either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.
There’s a bit of false equivalency here methinks
“Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.
We are hypocrites. We have double standards.
I am just pointing it out.
Can we agree that “not letting people with Russian passport travel in NATO countries”
And “Slaughtering civilians en masse in retaliation to a terrorist attack”
Are just a wee bit different as far “collective punishment” goes?
You missed the point :
Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.
Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.
In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”
We. Are. Hypocrites.
……you’re comparing passports to murdering civilians.
Not being able to spend summer in the Algarve and being brutally murdered is totally the same thing.
“Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.
We are hypocrites. We have double standards.
I am just pointing it out.
Starving people to death via a siege and not allowing passport holders to visit are worlds apart.
Aside from that, it would be a violation of sovereignty to say which countries other countries had to allow in. Countries can and do block passports all the time.
You missed the point :
Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.
Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.
In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”
We. Are. Hypocrites.
Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn’t punishment. Do you realise most countries aren’t permitted to travel somewhere?
It’s not about traveling, and not about Russians at all. I just gave an example. Look,
Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.
The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.
It’s just pure hypocracy.
In both cases the civilian population suffers the most. In both cases it’s a war crime and should be condemned.
“And in response we will send 100 billion in lethal aid directly to Israel.”
Israelis are doing a genocide in Gaza right now and the whole western world will celebrate it at worst and tut about it at best. Disgusting
Yes, they are doing a genocide.
I’m not sure what other options are available at this point though.
Hamas is extremist to the point where they would be doing a genocide as well if they were in the position to do so.
People say separate the Hamas from the people, but that’s really hard when the members of Hamas are of the people and have the support of a good percentage of them.
If Israel invades on foot and Hamas is threatened they can simply fade back into the population and wait to try again. And the general population will support them in doing so.
The creation of the state of Israel was a mistake and the rise of Hamas is the direct result of decades of apartheid practiced against the Palestinians by the Israeli state.
… But as the issue stands today, I can’t blame Israel in taking extreme action to end the conflict that’s dragged on for nearly a century now.
There is no reasonable path to peace. A two state solution would end with the states at war anyway as both states have extreamists who want to genocide the other in government positions.
And there is no where that would accept the Gaza population as refugees even if you could get them to leave.
So what’s left?
Really? Your stance is “decolonization sounds complicated, let’s just let Israel genocide millions of people”? As other posters have said, send any dual citizens back to their country of origin, remove settlers from Palestinian land, end the siege of gaza, take down the wall and machine guns, prosecute IDF war criminals, and dissolve the criminal entity that is Israel. Will it be bloodless and free of violence? Of course not, I’m not naive, but the genocide of Palestinians will be much more bloody than any decolonization process
Hamas is extremist to the point where they would be doing a genocide as well if they were in the position to do so.
The exact same nonsense was said about the end of apartheid in South Africa. That the extremist communist party and ANC would genocide white people. It never happened. This is literally a talking point from ex apartheid South African president PW Botha he said the same nonsense:
“I am not prepared to lead white South Africans and other minority groups on a road to abdication and suicide,”
Hamas is extremist to the point where they would be doing a genocide as well if they were in the position to do so.
“the people being genocided would do the exact same thing if they come into power!” is just soft genocide denial. it’s colonizers telling on themselves, because that’s their solution to an unwanted indigenous populace.
People say separate the Hamas from the people, but that’s really hard when the members of Hamas are of the people and have the support of a good percentage of them.
israel was instrumental in destroying all non-hamas groups. their extremism is intentional, as it gives israel an excuse to continue doing genocide.
… But as the issue stands today, I can’t blame Israel in taking extreme action to end the conflict that’s dragged on for nearly a century now.
you…can’t blame the genocidal settler state for continuing to do a genocide in response to…people resisting the genocide they have been doing for 70 years?? are you fucking drunk?
Well one option is they could get off the fucking land they stole and stop doing a genocide. Not sure why that option slipped your mind. Libs always trying to find hard solutions to simple problems.
Decolonization is a bloody and violent process. Once you colonize a place and the people that live there, the only ways that it will end is the near-complete extermination of the colonized peoples by the colonizers, or decolonization. There can never be a lasting, peaceful status quo, as the interests of the colonized and the colonizers are inexorably opposed. The colonizer wants more of what is and was the colonized’s. The colonized want to keep their homes, and to not be subject to the colonizers. Both will use violence to achieve their ends.
The question of “how can peace be achieved in Palestine” is not “how can the current conflict be resolved,” but instead “should Palestinians be subject to ethnic cleansing, including violently and directly as occurred during the Nakba, or should Palestinians govern Palestine?”
Yes, they are doing a genocide.
I’m not sure what other options are available at this point though.
I’d love to hear your explanation for how you totally aren’t a fascist
Holy hell, liberals are at the point of nakedly and explicitly calling for genocide, by name.
I don’t know why people are bothering to give serious replies to trash like you. You belong in a ditch with a bullet in the head.
Well, no shit. And nothing will be done about it.
Not directed at OP
Israel’s actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did," Borrell’s spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.
Uhh, I think you meant to say “Hamas’ actions are a direct consequence of what Israel has been doing to Gaza”
Jesus Christ. 1200 civilians died. You are actually impossible
“Jungle” Borell still in peak colonialist form.
Where are the sanctions then?
Sanctions are for non-whites.
Russia famously being an African nation.
Slavs are schrodinger whites in the eyes of the west. They can be called white when they die in a proxy war for US oligarchs, or may become even a proud second class citizens and earn some praise when colonized by the west and bootlicking it. But when they resist? Immediate reclassification to the “asian mongolic horde” status.
lets not get into are Jews white
Israelis and Zionists =/= Jews
I just recently learned Zionism isn’t actually a Jewish thing. Christian Zionism came before, they were the guys who did the crusades.
“Do unto others as others have done unto you.”. – Israel
That was not the best takeaway, but here we are.
Someone should probably do something about that huh
Gaza doesn’t have any oil so nobody will help.
Hasn’t this always been the case?
Israel has not been a shining example of virtue over the years. I’m not excusing the disgusting actions by the other side, where they are proved true, as some of the pictures have already been discounted, but this would only make Israel come down harder.
I don’t the have an answer, but what ever us happening now is certainly not it.
So you just want them to sit back and take their genocide laying down? Of course you do, because you don’t really support the Palestine struggle, you’re just clutching at pearls because the thought of the oppressed rising up scares you.
I think you are confused, Israel are the ones who are planning on carrying out genocide.
I’m not confused, that other guy was being bad faith. I even made it clear in my comment who was doing the genocide.
It is weird talking about a genocide against Israel, while they starve 2 million people.
Once again with feddit de users saying the literal exact opposite of what I just said and causing me to get 9 billion downvotes.
Why would anyone care about fake internet votes on meaningless comments? Weird thing to worry about.
It’s less that i’m getting slammed and more that it’s not my fault that i’m getting slammed. Someone else mischaracterized what I said and it’s completely erased what I originally intended and replaced it with the exact opposite, and that’s what people are walking away with.
The same people that claim to love ““FREEDOM”” are the same people calling actually real freedom fighters terrorists.
If killing a bunch of women and children is freedom fighting then this world is fucked.
Listen, the children are victims (women get IDF training same as men though so lol) but they are victims of Israel. Dont put children on the front line of a settler colonial project.
The Hatians killed their masters. Was that wrong?
in the cases where ‘their masters’ was a middleschooler, yes
What kind of parents choose to bring their children to live on stolen land in a war zone?
this might be controversial, but in my opinion killing children is bad regardless of where you do it
Number of Palestinian children killed: 365 children. And I bet the number from Israel is way lower.
Where’s Egypt in all of this? Are they going to send aid through the border? Or are IDF goons guarding the border with Egypt as well?
Egypt closed the border
For a pretty fucking good reason:
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/11/israel-bombs-gazas-border-crossing-with-egypt
I didn’t say why because I didn’t know, I had seen something about that but haven’t looked into it yet
“I haven’t critically engaged with media but I’ll express my opinion anyway”
Also EU
Also Ursula
Clearly Palestinian untermensch aren’t really human in Ursula’s eyes
I’m going to be real, I doubt they can even muster the will to write a strongly worded letter with the kinds of members who make up the EU.
EDIT: I am in the wrong fucking thread lmao
Deleted comments. I thought this was my tab for the Hexbear news bulletins megathread. Sorry.
lemmyworld has been saying the most atrocious shit im crying they’re so dumb
The nazi bar is gonna say nazi bar shit lmao.
On the plus side they’re literally irrelevant so they can be completely ignored.
Thankfully hexbear is bringing about real change!
Why are they not sending wepons to Palestinians?
Because Israel destroying HAMAS or Palestine doesn’t threaten EU. Yet.
Biden and the US have delivered and promises more military aid for Israel. What death toll do we want here? https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-us-monitors-situation-2023-10-11/
Probably as much as possible, especially that Netanyahu is known for unhinged hate and slander for Palestinians and Biden now just repeats it after him.
Because the very same article shows the EU most certainly doesn’t like Hamas.
His condemnation of Israel’s behaviour came after three days of EU rhetoric that had focused on the “utterly inhuman … shocking … barbarous” nature of Hamas’ atrocities, while highlighting Israel’s rights rather than its obligations.
He pledged his staff would conduct a swift review of EU aid to Palestine to make sure no money ended up with Hamas via error or deception.
Stopping aid to ordinary Palestinians would be “the best present we could give to Hamas and it would jeopardise our interests and partnerships in the Arab world,” he added.
“We want to make sure that, beyond UNRWA, the EU budget does not get to any organisations which has any ties, any links to Hamas,” he said.
EU sending weapons is not a matter of who is defending or attacking, only a matter of who they like
Of course, i was (rhetorically) asking our resident EU shills which claims EU is follwing some kind of beningn international policy.
