Deniz Opal

@glenatron @raccoona_nongrata @fwygon

This angle is very similar to a debate going on in the cinema world, with Scorsese famously ranting that Marvel movies are “not movies”

The point being without a directors message being portrayed, these cookie cutter cinema experiences, with algorithmically developed story lines, should not be classified as proper movies.

But the fact remains, we consume them as movies.

We consume AI art as art.

@raccoona_nongrata

Actually. It is necessary. The process of creativity is much much more a synergy of past consumption than we think.

It took 100,000 years to get from cave drawings to Leonard Da Vinci.

Yes we always find ways to draw, but the pinnacle of art comes from a shared culture of centuries.

@glenatron @raccoona_nongrata @fwygon

I mean, yes, you are right, but essentially, it is all external factors. They can be lived through external factors, or data fed external factors.

I don’t think there is a disagreement here other than you are placing a lot of value on “the human experience” being an in real life thing rather than a read thing. Which is not even fully true of the great masters. It’s a form of puritan fetishisation I guess.

@raccoona_nongrata @fwygon

Rutowski, Monet, and Rockwell could also not create without human art.

All creativity is a combination of past creativity.

Even Monet.

Even Shakespeare.

Even Beethoven.