No one thinks it’s a case of “weird racism”, but it does seem politically and/or financially motivated. If it was a legitimate threat, they could have informed the public as to the actual threat. The fact that they didn’t implies doing so would undermine the decision.

Beyond that, most folks are not mad TikTok is getting banned, they (myself included) are mad that obvious and legitimate threats to the public relating to social media and data harvesting are being ignored. And to avoid having that conversation, TikTok is getting a blanket ban.

What if it actually is a very credible threat from an outside actor? Is there a world where that’s possible and acceptable to you?

So to answer this question, yes, that is possible and acceptable in two (not mutually exclusive) worlds. One where the actual threat is revealed so it is obvious why it needs to be addressed. Or two, where the government is (or better yet already was) acting in good faith to protect Americans from the other more obvious threats of social media and data privacy violations.

Without one or both of those worlds, it is extremely difficult to assume this was a decision made in good faith. Afterall, they didn’t create rules to prevent TikTok from harvesting data, nor create rules that propaganda needs to be monitored and labeled. They didn’t draft up a Digital Bill of Rights to protect Americans, and then ban TikTok for violating it. They just dropped the ban hammer with a “trust me bro”.

And given that, it also shows how far the government is willing to go to avoid holding American companies accountable. Which, imho, is the crux of why so many folks are peeved with this ban.

“They” are the people performing the cited study in this post.

You quote me saying Russians have fascists in their government and military, something I sent you articles demonstrating that you didnt even bother to read, and then have the audacity to pretend like I owe you more research and need to prove a claim I never made? Get outta here with that nonsense.

You never managed to demonstrate that Ukraine is run by Nazis, nor that it is even a “systemic problem”. You just showed that like many countries, Ukraine has an ultra right nationalist party that failed to grab power, and idiot Neo-Nazis. Which I said should be fought against at every level… In every country… Including Ukraine… Yet you resort to another personal attack calling me a Nazis sympathizer.

Funny thing is, I liked your meme, I agreed with the point you were making, and had you come at me with the intention to demonstrate Ukraine isn’t some saint country without problems, we would have found common ground. No country is, and often times the problems of an underdog country are overlooked to avoid appearing like one is supporting a larger warmongering country.

But because I rejected a simple, all or nothing lie about the country, you instead felt the need to move goals posts, strawman my points, and fling personal insults.

Do you think lying, exaggerating, and attacking people will benefit your point in anyway? Do you think strawmanning points and moving goalposts will lead to a deeper mutual understanding? Or are you just so angry that you want the fight, and there is no point beyond that?

Honestly man, I feel kind of bad for you. Good luck, I hope you can find some joy in your life.

Lol, many countries do have open fascists in their military and government, Russia and the United States among them. Funny thing about folks who are willing to kill for their country, they are often ultra nationalists. A couple of the articles I sent you clearly demonstrate this in regards to Russia.

Regardless, you never even came close to supporting the claim “Ukraine is run by Nazis”. Worse for your point still, one of your sources stated clearly that said claim is demonstrably not true.

And while fascists and Nazis should be called out and shutdown on every level in every country, including Ukraine, exaggerating the extent to which these ideologies have infiltrated a government to justify war is blatantly propaganda and evil.

I’ll take your personal attacks on me as you admitting you overstated the strength of your “evidence”. Next time someone makes a clear cut argument like “Ukraine is run by Nazis”, don’t provide evidence that literally says that’s not the case and then pretend like it supports the claim. That’s not “too complex to understand”, that’s just lying.

So… A handful of articles about individuals in Ukraine, a march of 300 nazi sympathizers, actions of a reported terrorist organization, and an article that states the following:

Ever since Ukraine’s February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a “fascist junta” made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, set on persecuting, if not eradicating, the Russian-speaking population. This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% barrier to enter parliament

You just wasted a lot of my time… Many countries have idiots, my own has plenty of jackasses who could be called Nazi sympathizers. That doesn’t mean the country is run by Nazis, and to claim such is very obviously propaganda. I wonder if you would be so willing to generalize a whole nation and its government if the rubberband was on the other claw?

• https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/if-russia-serious-about-de-nazification-it-should-start-home
• https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535
• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia
• https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
• https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/06/neo-nazi-street-attacks-are-making-a-comeback-in-russia-experts-link-it-to-2000s-nostalgia-internet-clout-culture-and-the-war

In the first half.

Ukraine is run by nazis

Or are we playing the “everyone I dont like is a nazi” game? In that case, Russia and my HoA is run by Nazis!