I mean, “it’s shit” is technically discussion but I was hoping for more too lol

I can see how you got there, but I’m actually not saying you need to understand any programming languages at all. If the code is out there, and the product is worthwhile, the community can and will vet it.

Like I responded to the other guy, you put a level of trust in anything you use. You can pay for a product and expect polish and support, or you can go the open source route, the DIY hobbyist route, and expect to have to do more yourself. You might have to do research on a product before you trust it. This isn’t a radical concept to me. If I was putting together an RC car, I would do research on the motor to make sure it was unlikely to fail catastrophically.

??? You quoted my comment with ‘reputable’ in it. You put a level of trust in anything you use. Reputable companies are unlikely to fuck your shit up with bad software. It happens - not trying to say it doesn’t - but again, you have to trust somewhere.

Honestly, no. It’s your job to vet the software you run. If it’s open source, you had every chance to make sure it wasn’t going to irreversibly break your system ahead of time.

Alternatively, you could pay money for a solution from a reputable company with support.

Lmao I would be too! You’re self hosting services behind a reverse proxy and familiar enough with docker to set that up, but you’re clearly not a very tech savvy person…! Haha. There’s levels to everything, I guess. Weird gatekeep though, perhaps lost in translation

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I apologize if I offended you or otherwise indicated hostility with my “yes…?”. I felt my position was clear and unchallenged by your reply. I’d also point out that you made assumptions about my opinions prior, which while it didn’t really bother me, could certainly change the temperament of discussion.

I do think it’s important to have a clear point in a debate though and I don’t see that you have presented one. From what I gather, you value cooperation in society and disagree with pure capitalism. For what it’s worth, I actually agree with both of those points and feel the same. I’ll respect your wish to leave it here and wish you the best of luck.

I asked you what would be different under your preferred alternative to capitalism and you’ve responded with policy from other capitalist nations. Perhaps the ideas you have presented are not solutions to capitalisms failings but instead just good ideas that can coexist within a capitalist society. I’m really not sure I understand your point but feel free to clarify if you’d like to continue the discussion.

OF has only existed for 7 years. The lower and middle class has been struggling for much longer than this. Wages have been stagnant for much longer than this. What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

People almost always have options… They just may not like them. Let’s please all stop pretending these women are forced into or have no other option than OF. They are choosing to because it is a convenient way to make extra income. It’s a convenient side hustle. Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves? Much faster and easier. And there’s nothing wrong with that - let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

Yes…? We are aware of how bad we’re being fucked. We saw the Panama papers. Rich people dodge taxes with loopholes. War is waged to line pockets. Senators practice insider trading. Huge, major problems exist with capitalism and of course, we can’t know the full extent. What do you think would be different under your preference?

They don’t need to expose themselves online to make a good living though. I think it’s important to distinguish that - this is an easy and accessible way for most women to make a few extra bucks or a good living, but they don’t need to and there are plenty of options to make a good living that don’t require showing off your naked body out there.

The middle class is being squeezed and many if not all jobs should pay more than what they do - not trying to debate that here. But to pretend women have no other options or somehow feel a need to do OF… Disingenuous at best.

I think you’re speaking to a young person who has a lot of heart, just misplaced. The lower class and middle class are much closer together than they realize. You handled yourself well.

Absolutely. Greed will always exist and evil people will always take advantage of others. May as well lay everyone’s cards on the table.