Right, the countries that invaded the USSR in its nascent years, constantly tried to assassinate leaders of progressive movements, couped most countries on Earth.
Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions
The projection lol
and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
As that joke goes, a CIA and KGB officer meet at a bar. The CIA officer says to the KGB officer “You’ve got a good propaganda machine!”, the KGB officer replies “Well, yours is unbeatable.”
The CIA agent responds with “What propaganda? In the West we don’t have propaganda.”
Your shitty dictatorships failed because they were orders of magnitude more corrupt and dysfunctional than capitalism, and even more oppressive towards the general public.
That you have been brainwashed to only see communist country as authoritarian while the police in your democracy kills black people every day on the street.
I am against dictators and authoritarianism though which I’m pretty sure I made very clear in my comment responding to the guy talking about dictators and how it’s only good when it’s Western democracy
Let’s try a different tack then - if it’s illegal to disapprove of the government and you’ll be locked up for it, and 10% of the population voice disapproval, why are only 0.12% of the population imprisoned? Do you actually understand the logistical undertaking disappearing or imprisoning over 140 million people would be? Do you not think it’s more likely that it’s just not illegal to disapprove, and that they really do generally approve of their government?
The 90% figure comes from the Harvard Kennedy School ASH Centre for Democratic Governance and Innovation. There is no fucking possible way you are suggesting that Harvard University is distributing CPC propaganda.
Westerners hate their government so much that they cannot see beyond their own parochial worldview to even entertain the idea that some people would feel generally supportive of their government.
Those sneaky Orientals must be lying in order to trick is good, honest, non-perfidious enlightened westerners again.
Read the Harvard study, it directly refutes this point of view and even charts some problems Chinese citizens said they have with the government. I cannot imagine being as ignorant as you lmao
Sorry but the U.S. had to massacre 1M Indonesians to prevent a socialist movement and arm Nazis in countries with popular socialist movements to terrorize the population, it’s just that capitalism naturally seems to work better. The best system is the one where millions of people are bombed for the white first world to stay on top, while in the first world the police murder minorities and companies exploit the poor.
They’re both auth dictator scumbags who steal from and oppress the people. Dictators are dictators. Left or right, the only difference is exactly who they want to kill. The Soviets oppressed and occupied Eastern Europe and Putin wants nothing more than to do the same.
Thankfully, Putin is less capable than Stalin, so Russian fascist rule isn’t as terrible as Soviet communist rule.
The plenty of the Communist bourgeois and the deprivation of the common people certainly were. The Party members could drive Mercedes if they wanted while the regular people could only dream about a Lada, could enjoy fancy French wines while the common people wait in bread lines, and meet over cigars while the common people were deprived even of the benefit of union representation, as all unions were turned into agents of the state.
Right, the countries that invaded the USSR in its nascent years, constantly tried to assassinate leaders of progressive movements, couped most countries on Earth.
The projection lol
As that joke goes, a CIA and KGB officer meet at a bar. The CIA officer says to the KGB officer “You’ve got a good propaganda machine!”, the KGB officer replies “Well, yours is unbeatable.”
The CIA agent responds with “What propaganda? In the West we don’t have propaganda.”
Keep crying, tankie
Your shitty dictatorships failed because they were orders of magnitude more corrupt and dysfunctional than capitalism, and even more oppressive towards the general public.
Dictatorship is when bad country, democratic is when good western country
I mean you cam take western out and your statement still works fine.
Fuck authoritarians of any side.
Any society is authoritarian, it depends who wields it.
Your point is?
That you have been brainwashed to only see communist country as authoritarian while the police in your democracy kills black people every day on the street.
I am against dictators and authoritarianism though which I’m pretty sure I made very clear in my comment responding to the guy talking about dictators and how it’s only good when it’s Western democracy
Because the Tsar and the Chinese warlords and Battista and Imperial Japanese occupation where pillars of democracy before those countries’ revolutions. Also like 90% of Chinese citizens are happy with their government, vs a sad 20% of Americans.
Odd how people in a country where it’s illegal to not be happy with the government report being happy with the government
If it’s illegal then why didn’t the last 10ish% also say they approve?
Shh don’t ask that
Personal bravery? Idk.
God you are ignorant
Let’s try a different tack then - if it’s illegal to disapprove of the government and you’ll be locked up for it, and 10% of the population voice disapproval, why are only 0.12% of the population imprisoned? Do you actually understand the logistical undertaking disappearing or imprisoning over 140 million people would be? Do you not think it’s more likely that it’s just not illegal to disapprove, and that they really do generally approve of their government?
I believe in your ability to figure it out. Hint: it’s the same reason Putin has consistently high approvals in surveys
The 90% figure comes from the Harvard Kennedy School ASH Centre for Democratic Governance and Innovation. There is no fucking possible way you are suggesting that Harvard University is distributing CPC propaganda.
Westerners hate their government so much that they cannot see beyond their own parochial worldview to even entertain the idea that some people would feel generally supportive of their government.
Those sneaky Orientals must be lying in order to trick is good, honest, non-perfidious enlightened westerners again.
Easterners who hate their government disappear or learn to hide it. Westerners get to piss and moan.
Ah yes, that’s very true. You must be something a field anthropologist.
People in the East wouldn’t ever protest and get away with it.
Meanwhile, westerners who hate their government would never be brought up on charges for the crime of “posessing books, black clothes, fabric, and paint” and then get disappeared into solitary confinement for exercising their constitutional rights.
That’s a very valid contribution that you made to the discussion. Nice work.
Read the Harvard study, it directly refutes this point of view and even charts some problems Chinese citizens said they have with the government. I cannot imagine being as ignorant as you lmao
Imagine
stillhaving this much faith in capitalism after all the horrifying shit that’s been happeningIt’s the worst economic system except for anything else we have tried.
Sorry but the U.S. had to massacre 1M Indonesians to prevent a socialist movement and arm Nazis in countries with popular socialist movements to terrorize the population, it’s just that capitalism naturally seems to work better. The best system is the one where millions of people are bombed for the white first world to stay on top, while in the first world the police murder minorities and companies exploit the poor.
So are you saying Putin is a not shitty dictator? He’s definitely not a communist and he’s still in charge of Russia.
Nah he’s a fascist. Same corruption as communism, different flavor.
Read this and watch this, you can lead a horse to water or whatever
Oh? please explain
They’re both auth dictator scumbags who steal from and oppress the people. Dictators are dictators. Left or right, the only difference is exactly who they want to kill. The Soviets oppressed and occupied Eastern Europe and Putin wants nothing more than to do the same.
Thankfully, Putin is less capable than Stalin, so Russian fascist rule isn’t as terrible as Soviet communist rule.
So all those price controls under the soviet Union were just them oppressing their citizens?
The plenty of the Communist bourgeois and the deprivation of the common people certainly were. The Party members could drive Mercedes if they wanted while the regular people could only dream about a Lada, could enjoy fancy French wines while the common people wait in bread lines, and meet over cigars while the common people were deprived even of the benefit of union representation, as all unions were turned into agents of the state.
Yeah real repression of the poor here. This is exactly what you expect to see when the poor is repressed.