I’m trying to find the author and the title of a painting that I vaguely remember.

The painting shows a man painting a woman. It looks like an ordinary self portrait but if you look closer you will see that the painted woman has an arm going out of the picture and is directing the arm of the painter.

I think the painted woman was the master of the male painter?

I think it’s from Italy, 17th century (very vague reminiscence here)?

I keep thinking about Artemisia Gentileschi but can’t find any link to something similar

Any help would be appreciated, it’s driving me crazy

    • drolex@sopuli.xyzOP
      13·
      1 year ago

      Yes! Well done. Thanks a lot. You’re amazing

      It is Self-portrait with Bernardino Campi by Sofonisba Anguissola, ca. 1550

      • weml@suppo.fi
        6·
        1 year ago

        You’re welcome! My first lazy google search gave immediate results (renessaince painting artist portrait of woman italy). :D

  • GroteStreet 🦘@aussie.zoneEnglish
    17·
    1 year ago

    This intrigued me so I tried asking some AI; and in typical AI fashion, they gave me very wrong answers very convincingly.

    Gpt4 is convinced it was Vermeer’s “Art of Painting”, and gave a very verbose - but completely wrong - description of how the woman was directing the painter’s arm. The BingGPT version even gave me links… to websites with completely unrelated paintings.

    Google bard insists it was Goya’s “The Double Portrait”, and gave a very detailed analysis and critique of the painting. It’s very convincing, except for the fact that I couldn’t find a painting by that name by Goya…

    So I’m sorry I couldn’t be of much help. I just found the whole thing amusing.

    • Dr Cog@mander.xyz
      12·
      1 year ago

      Scientists: we made this neat thing that approximates human sounding speech!

      Everyone: I’m going to believe every word this thing says

      • TheHalc@sopuli.xyz
        10·
        1 year ago

        “We trained it on social media.”

        “Why does it keep making stuff up and then getting argumentative if called out?!”

        • GroteStreet 🦘@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          Somehow the model that Bing uses is extremely aggressive in gaslighting you. It would be funny if it wasn’t so reminiscent of some of the most abusive relationships I’ve seen irl…

          • TheHalc@sopuli.xyz
            2·
            1 year ago

            Hopefully you’re in a better situation now, I’m sorry to hear you’ve had to go through that.

            I guess I’m fortunate that I tend to associate it with some of the worst conversations I’ve had with people on Reddit rather than anything more personal.

            • GroteStreet 🦘@aussie.zoneEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Thankfully (almost) none of the experiences were first-hand. In my friend circle, I just happen to be the person they know will take any story they tell to the grave without telling a single soul.

              Gaslighting is a scourge mostly because, in my observation, it usually is the first mechanism invoked when someone is being defensive. And it works so well many victims don’t recognise it as a problem.

              And I guess as you said earlier, being modelled on human interactions, it just makes sense that it’s the favourite defense mechanism of a conversational AI.