No. I don’t like how being queer has granted me special rights, both legally and socially. I find it easier to just say I’m queer, but not a part of the rainbow.
I dislike being grouped in the more rabid aspects of the queer community, the kind that religiously defends Drag, encourages sexual deviancy and praises censorship.
And I especially dislike the forcefulness of pride. A day. A month. Another month. It never stops. It’s just so artificial and exists purely to sell rainbow products and prime-time entertainment. ‘keep consuming, you gay.’
I dislike being grouped in the more rabid aspects of the queer community, the kind that religiously defends Drag, encourages sexual deviancy and praises censorship.
What’s wrong with drag and sexual deviance? They don’t hurt anyone.
And I especially dislike the forcefulness of pride.
Having a month to celebrate pride is forceful? Who is forcing you to do anything related to pride?
as a sex repulsed asexual, i’m not personally a huge fan of how sexual/horny the LGBT community can tend to be in online spaces at least. back on reddit, a lot of LGBT meme subs or even just r/bisexual for example (i’m biromantic) are really sexual especially. pride events don’t feel particularly comfortable for me either because of this.
i totally understand why the community tends to be this way when it’s based on sexuality and gender alone as a uniting force, and that’s okay, but it regardless isn’t something i’d like to personally be associated with much. i support people doing whatever they like within their own home so long as it is of age humans consenting, but in outside environments just tends to make me uncomfortable.
Likewise, I can take someone to court for calling me a fag or what other slur they blurt out, yet they can’t take me to court if I attack their heterosexuality.
i don’t even think this is correct, but even if we ignore that and accept it to be true: i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual. comparatively, it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual.
True, but that isn’t my point. My point is that I have abilities that straight people do not. That is not equality.
it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
Absolutely, those are the places we need to focus pride on, not on the latest corporation logo, special rainbow burger or a tweet from a washed-up boomer.
It’s nice you don’t think it’s correct, but fortunately, it is.
…you just sent me a link which explicitly says sexual orientation, blanketly, is covered by nondiscrimination and equality laws with no exception for heterosexuality? i’m going to be honest i don’t know what point you’re making here and you strike me as having kind of reactionary positions informed by information you’re not correctly interpreting.
See that’s what bothers me about pride as well. We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
well, for one thing many of these “boomers” have the power to change the laws of this country (or to influence social feelings toward queer people) and in their ideal world want the death penalty for queer people; and for another, you’re not going to find people who object to the ongoing oppression of queer people in the US and think it isn’t fucked up that Afghanistan executes gay people or whatever, so… ironically you’re doing the twitter stereotype of making up a person to get mad at here. i don’t think this describes literally any person of significance in the queer community
Completely agree. Sometimes it goes a bit too far. When I finally accepted myself as Bi, I tried joining the Bi-themed subreddits (back when I still used reddit) and I did not like it. They were all obsessed with labeling weird traits as evidence of being Bi (liking frogs, sitting on chairs weird, etc) and just being really horny. I quickly left. Sometimes the crazy conservatives do have a point: a lot of the lgbtq community is obsessed with sex.
Like, here’s a recent example of how I don’t like this new mainstream pride. I went in for a mental health episode at a youth centre, and once I mentioned my sexuality, I was referred to a Pride Space.
How is my mental illness even related to being put into a group of other queer people? I exited out of that right quick if I’m just another diversity quota.
Sometimes it can be helpful to be in a space with people who might share similar experiences. A lot of queer people experience rejection by their birth families and having other people going through the something gives them a new support system. Those organisations often have specialised therapy available and resources that can help.
Of course you shouldn’t feel pressured into a space you don’t feel comfortable in but your comments all seem very pointed and angry about other people’s celebrations. The world can be a dark place and I also hate rainbowCapitalism but that’s all the more reason to support small queer businesses and throw your own celebrations with friends.
No. I don’t like how being queer has granted me special rights, both legally and socially. I find it easier to just say I’m queer, but not a part of the rainbow.
I dislike being grouped in the more rabid aspects of the queer community, the kind that religiously defends Drag, encourages sexual deviancy and praises censorship.
And I especially dislike the forcefulness of pride. A day. A month. Another month. It never stops. It’s just so artificial and exists purely to sell rainbow products and prime-time entertainment. ‘keep consuming, you gay.’
What’s wrong with drag and sexual deviance? They don’t hurt anyone.
Having a month to celebrate pride is forceful? Who is forcing you to do anything related to pride?
as a sex repulsed asexual, i’m not personally a huge fan of how sexual/horny the LGBT community can tend to be in online spaces at least. back on reddit, a lot of LGBT meme subs or even just r/bisexual for example (i’m biromantic) are really sexual especially. pride events don’t feel particularly comfortable for me either because of this.
i totally understand why the community tends to be this way when it’s based on sexuality and gender alone as a uniting force, and that’s okay, but it regardless isn’t something i’d like to personally be associated with much. i support people doing whatever they like within their own home so long as it is of age humans consenting, but in outside environments just tends to make me uncomfortable.
I would love to know the “special rights” being queer grants people. I could use some
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i don’t even think this is correct, but even if we ignore that and accept it to be true: i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual. comparatively, it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
It’s nice you don’t think it’s correct, but fortunately, it is.
True, but that isn’t my point. My point is that I have abilities that straight people do not. That is not equality.
Absolutely, those are the places we need to focus pride on, not on the latest corporation logo, special rainbow burger or a tweet from a washed-up boomer.
…you just sent me a link which explicitly says sexual orientation, blanketly, is covered by nondiscrimination and equality laws with no exception for heterosexuality? i’m going to be honest i don’t know what point you’re making here and you strike me as having kind of reactionary positions informed by information you’re not correctly interpreting.
More likely to be hired if queer? On what universe??
That all totally sounds awesome to me considering I face death in my country for being bi. Would love to only have to worry about fairness
What country would that be?
I never advertise that for safety reasons
Then why even bring it up
Because it is a good counter to your points
countries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
See that’s what bothers me about pride as well. We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” - Dr. King
And using that quote means that this mean tweet is more of an injustice than your situation. Do you see my frustration in pride now?
well, for one thing many of these “boomers” have the power to change the laws of this country (or to influence social feelings toward queer people) and in their ideal world want the death penalty for queer people; and for another, you’re not going to find people who object to the ongoing oppression of queer people in the US and think it isn’t fucked up that Afghanistan executes gay people or whatever, so… ironically you’re doing the twitter stereotype of making up a person to get mad at here. i don’t think this describes literally any person of significance in the queer community
You’re also making up a person with your “changing the laws” via the power of boomers tweets.
Personally, I don’t care what happens in the US. It’s a third-world country and will continue to remain as such.
Completely agree. Sometimes it goes a bit too far. When I finally accepted myself as Bi, I tried joining the Bi-themed subreddits (back when I still used reddit) and I did not like it. They were all obsessed with labeling weird traits as evidence of being Bi (liking frogs, sitting on chairs weird, etc) and just being really horny. I quickly left. Sometimes the crazy conservatives do have a point: a lot of the lgbtq community is obsessed with sex.
Like, here’s a recent example of how I don’t like this new mainstream pride. I went in for a mental health episode at a youth centre, and once I mentioned my sexuality, I was referred to a Pride Space.
How is my mental illness even related to being put into a group of other queer people? I exited out of that right quick if I’m just another diversity quota.
Sometimes it can be helpful to be in a space with people who might share similar experiences. A lot of queer people experience rejection by their birth families and having other people going through the something gives them a new support system. Those organisations often have specialised therapy available and resources that can help.
Of course you shouldn’t feel pressured into a space you don’t feel comfortable in but your comments all seem very pointed and angry about other people’s celebrations. The world can be a dark place and I also hate
rainbowCapitalism but that’s all the more reason to support small queer businesses and throw your own celebrations with friends.