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    Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.

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          If you just browse through your home feed, sure. But actively going out of your way to see someone’s comment or post history because you don’t agree with what they said is childish and frankly a bit concerning. It really shows your character.

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            Wow, hmm… This is such a good comment to shitpost under but I’m not sure what angle to take. The fact you seem to be upset people publicly can get on a public website in public and look at the public posts the user posted in a public forum in public is a good one. But also the whole “just because they said a bunch of shit about hating the Jews doesn’t mean you should look at their post history you creep!” is a good one too. Now though, Im just wondering what you have to hide? So… I guess let’s take a look at your post history 🤷

            Edit: Ohhhh… I found it everyone. He/she/they/zem doesn’t want people to know they don’t like LGBT people that much.

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              Oh trust me, if you do look through mine (which I also don’t see the point of) you won’t find much, just me talking shit about android apps

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                That’s not all you’ll find now is it? Apparently you don’t have the greatest view in LGBT people? I’m a shitposter, but not a prick. So I genuinely would like to know your controversial opinions on LGBT and give you the space to say your opinions and defend them. Like why is Pride Month “unwarranted”?

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                And also that time you refused to finish a book series because it had a gay and a nonbinary character in it

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            I do it all the time. I mainly do it to make sure I’m not arguing against a literal child. There’s many reasons why one might look at a person’s post history.

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        Definitely do. Sometimes it’s the only way to know whether someone just had one bad take, or if they’re genuinely awful and not worth your time to reply to

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    The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don’t like the “innocent” jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.

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      Alternatively, the people who are so brittle that shit-posting causes them to somehow turn on half of the community were always going to volatile puritans.

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        What? Maybe some people join communities for fun and togetherness. Not amateur hour jew jokes or whatever.

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          I agree. But the discussion was shit-posting, not racist jokes, or am I missing something?

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            A careful read of the meme shows were talking about edgy, borderline right wing shit postings.

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      Define punching down.

      Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here

      Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism

      Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don’t work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.

      Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.

      I’m a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.

      So I technically can’t punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can’t know someone’s ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.

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        So I technically can’t punch down on Americans

        Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?

        My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn’t funny, it’s just bullying and it’s sad. It shouldn’t be a controversial point.

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    Respectfully mention that it’s kinda insensitive, kinda like, “hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?” and you’ll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don’t know why it’s insensitive, then you can educate them!

    Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person’s perspective (“don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive” vs “I think that’s kinda insensitive”) seems to help a lot.

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      How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.

      Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

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        My brother in Christ, you are conflating free speech with the freedom from consequences. You are free to express your opinions. You will not be arrested for that. You can use the internet however you wish to express whatever opinions you have, no matter how stupid or hateful they are.

        However, if your opinion sucks, the community will “deal with it” by down voting your dumb ass, and if you piss enough people off, you’ll get banned. Your rights have not been infringed. You’re just an asshole and people don’t want to listen to you anymore. You can freely go complain about it somewhere else.

        I’m sure there is a community on the Internet that would welcome your shitty opinions into their little echo chamber. Go there if you don’t like it here. Or, as you say: “deal with it”.

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        Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

        I don’t think you’ve read either book because that analogy makes absolutely no sense.

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          I’ll make the analogy more clear to you. In 1984 the government got absolute information control, thats what you guys are worried about. In Fahrenheit 451 people themselves censored everything that offended anyone, eventually leading to all the books being burnt.

          People have opinions, and lemmy is becoming a worse echochamber than reddit.

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    Poe’s Law. Without a sarcasm tag it’s impossible to know if the person is being sarcastic or is that extreme.

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      Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.

      Is being socially conservative right wing? Is supporting capitalism right wing? Is inertia right wing? Is being progressive and, for example, anti-racist and pro-trans left wing? Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?

      What about extremism? Is someone an extremist if they condone violence? Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally? Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?

      Since these terms have no real definitions, it’s just shit-slinging.

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        Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.

        No, right-wing ideology has a very hard and clear-cut definition - all politics that protects power and privilege. It really doesn’t get any simpler than that.

        Is being socially conservative right wing?

        It’s not supposed to be… but the only people self-applying the term in the US are fascists.

        Is supporting capitalism right wing?

        Yes. Period.

        anti-racist and pro-trans left wing?

        That’s not progressive - that’s radicalism.

        Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?

        Yes.

        Is someone an extremist if they condone violence?

        No.

        Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally?

        No, that’s radicalism.

        Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?

        No.

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      The probability of encountering a “non-extremist” right-winger is exactly the same as of encountering a “non-extremist” left-winger and is quite small. The vast majority of people are moderates, either left or right leaning.

      Also, from the European perspective, the American left aka Democrats are quite right leaning :)

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        Oh look… an “enlightened centrist” has shown up to run interference for the right-wingers.

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          Oh look, a person that cannot distinguish center from right. I wonder how you drive if you can’t into directions.

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      Right wingers aren’t mentally ill theyre just wrong and have reprehensible morals.

      Please stop using mentally ill as an insult. Fascists love that, see R word, calling people autistic or schizophrenic as an insult, etc.

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        Nah. Your definition of a Nazi is just anyone right of Mao. This place seems to be where the tankies went after getting banned from Reddit for encouraging violence toward people who don’t want to slob on government’s massive boot.

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          Lemmy seems to be more middle-left with just a few vocal extremists on both sides, actually. If anything the largest ‘extreme’ group i’ve seen here is anarchists, kind of the opposite of communists lol.

          And the groups that do turn into a bunch of ‘tankies’ (slowly stares at Lemmygrad) have been defedrated across almost the entire fediverse…

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            “Both sides”

            -_-

            Also anarchists are pretty opposed to Marxism-Leninism, not communism in general.

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    Remember when people could take a joke not just thin skinned so they have to make it political?

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    “Okay time to look at their post history” “hmm nothing bad… pretty alrigh- oh they’re a communist”