Maybe electing someone unlikely to restrain them at all while simultaneously making shit worse in the US and Ukraine, doing a 180 on what little climate progress we’ve made, making abortion illegal nationwide, and reducing/ending social security will help.
Biden wasn’t restraining israel at all and Harris kept talking about how she’d be a continuation of Biden. Now you’re bringing in a bunch of other issues that aren’t what these voters are focused on. Turns out you have to appeal to voters to get their votes.
Ok, then what evidence do you have that Biden’s private discussions had any tangible benefit? Biden praised and hugged Netanyahu in public, but if you want me to believe he was harsh on him in private, show me what secret “behind the scenes” action made it worth it to allow Netanyahu to publicly insult Biden and make the US look complicit in war crimes. Did it prevent escalation of the war or bombing of Lebanon? No. Did it force Israel to stop bombing Gaza hospitals? Did it force Israel to publicly hold soldiers to account for war crimes? Nope. Did he force both sides into a ceasefire or get hostages with American citizenship back? NO. Literally every one of Biden’s publicly stated Israel-Palestine policies failed.
You have nothing to show for this “trust Biden, he’s working behind the scenes even if he’s looking like a fool in public for praising Netanyahu and acting blind to the atrocities in Gaza.”
That’s not evidence. I don’t see any mention of how Biden got Netanyahu to cave on anything. If anything it appears Trump got him to agree to the plan that Hamas already agreed to back in May.
Biden sanctioned only 7 settlers. Not 7 per illegal settlement, or 7 per day, 7 settlers in total. In the first 9 months of 2023 before the war, settlers killed over 240 Palestinians and set 3 West Bank towns on fire, and it’s on video with the IDF standing by and not intervening. Prosecutors decline to prosecute any Israeli settlers despite the evidence.
A stupid weak policy that did nothing as Israel complained and Biden cut the sanctions down to 5 people after the settlers sued him, then Trump reversed it. That was your evidence of what exactly? Biden being useless? It’s the equivalent of leaving a penny as a tip. You’re going to argue it counts as something useful?
Biden should go down in history as a pathetic president on this issue.
He’s looking to just “clean out” Gaza. C’mon. Admit it. You were either trolling knowing full well that Trump would be worse or you got taken for a ride and just don’t want to admit how dumb you were.
There’s people in my community who lost relatives in Gaza. I’ve been to their funerals. Their families will tell you, “Trump didn’t kill my family, Biden did.” Please tell me how I could convince them to put that aside and vote for Biden anyway. We tried, despite Biden’s speeches on the topic making it harder and harder since he decided to twist that knife in deeper and deeper by giving such helpful speeches saying that he doesn’t trust Palestinians or that Israel has not committed any war crimes.
In the end, Harris got far more votes in my community than Trump did, but it didn’t make any difference since Trump won by a margin bigger than all the voters in my community.
Trump ultimately ended up carrying Dearborn, a majority Arab American city in Michigan, by more than 6 percentage points — a massive swing from Biden’s nearly 40 point win there in 2020. But most Dearborn voters also voted against Trump, who got about 43% support in a deeply split field.
Guess you’re not in Dearborn.
I wonder if these people just don’t think Trump is that great a threat or still haven’t figured out how FPTP voting works yet.
Dearborn is one town among many in the area, it doesn’t completely represent the Arab-American community in the state or the Muslim-American community.
Second, Trump pulled ahead in Dearborn because so many disgusted voters stayed home and voted for neither. Turnout was shockingly low compared to 2020, partly because both candidates had such an ugly unappealing stance on Gaza, and Dearborn wound up splitting their vote between Harris and Stein, giving Trump a mild plurality. It’s not all together different from Trump winning certain neighborhoods in the Bronx since so many people decided not to vote this year.
Maybe electing someone unlikely to restrain them at all while simultaneously making shit worse in the US and Ukraine, doing a 180 on what little climate progress we’ve made, making abortion illegal nationwide, and reducing/ending social security will help.
Biden wasn’t restraining israel at all and Harris kept talking about how she’d be a continuation of Biden. Now you’re bringing in a bunch of other issues that aren’t what these voters are focused on. Turns out you have to appeal to voters to get their votes.
You seem to be under the impression that all discussions between the two countries happened in public. Do I have that right?
Ok, then what evidence do you have that Biden’s private discussions had any tangible benefit? Biden praised and hugged Netanyahu in public, but if you want me to believe he was harsh on him in private, show me what secret “behind the scenes” action made it worth it to allow Netanyahu to publicly insult Biden and make the US look complicit in war crimes. Did it prevent escalation of the war or bombing of Lebanon? No. Did it force Israel to stop bombing Gaza hospitals? Did it force Israel to publicly hold soldiers to account for war crimes? Nope. Did he force both sides into a ceasefire or get hostages with American citizenship back? NO. Literally every one of Biden’s publicly stated Israel-Palestine policies failed.
You have nothing to show for this “trust Biden, he’s working behind the scenes even if he’s looking like a fool in public for praising Netanyahu and acting blind to the atrocities in Gaza.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2025/01/15/statement-from-president-joe-biden-14/
That’s not evidence. I don’t see any mention of how Biden got Netanyahu to cave on anything. If anything it appears Trump got him to agree to the plan that Hamas already agreed to back in May.
Thank god for Trump hu?
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-cancels-sanctions-far-right-israeli-settlers-occupied-west-bank-2025-01-21
Biden sanctioned only 7 settlers. Not 7 per illegal settlement, or 7 per day, 7 settlers in total. In the first 9 months of 2023 before the war, settlers killed over 240 Palestinians and set 3 West Bank towns on fire, and it’s on video with the IDF standing by and not intervening. Prosecutors decline to prosecute any Israeli settlers despite the evidence.
A stupid weak policy that did nothing as Israel complained and Biden cut the sanctions down to 5 people after the settlers sued him, then Trump reversed it. That was your evidence of what exactly? Biden being useless? It’s the equivalent of leaving a penny as a tip. You’re going to argue it counts as something useful?
Biden should go down in history as a pathetic president on this issue.
How many sanctions do you expect from Trump?
He’s looking to just “clean out” Gaza. C’mon. Admit it. You were either trolling knowing full well that Trump would be worse or you got taken for a ride and just don’t want to admit how dumb you were.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-bomb-gaza-hamas-war-023b36984c6116c128b5e47f117bba2a
Or maybe I misread you and you know Biden was the better choice all along?
There’s people in my community who lost relatives in Gaza. I’ve been to their funerals. Their families will tell you, “Trump didn’t kill my family, Biden did.” Please tell me how I could convince them to put that aside and vote for Biden anyway. We tried, despite Biden’s speeches on the topic making it harder and harder since he decided to twist that knife in deeper and deeper by giving such helpful speeches saying that he doesn’t trust Palestinians or that Israel has not committed any war crimes.
In the end, Harris got far more votes in my community than Trump did, but it didn’t make any difference since Trump won by a margin bigger than all the voters in my community.
Guess you’re not in Dearborn.
I wonder if these people just don’t think Trump is that great a threat or still haven’t figured out how FPTP voting works yet.
Dearborn is one town among many in the area, it doesn’t completely represent the Arab-American community in the state or the Muslim-American community.
Second, Trump pulled ahead in Dearborn because so many disgusted voters stayed home and voted for neither. Turnout was shockingly low compared to 2020, partly because both candidates had such an ugly unappealing stance on Gaza, and Dearborn wound up splitting their vote between Harris and Stein, giving Trump a mild plurality. It’s not all together different from Trump winning certain neighborhoods in the Bronx since so many people decided not to vote this year.