This is a genuine question.
I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.
P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let’s be civil.
And if you’re a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.
Maybe get a fine for .0005% of their net worth. You know, so they don’t do it again.
That’s how it works, right?
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Sometimes people provide a public service to humanity is very dark ways. Do not turn this guy in.
The murderer of that innocent man needs to be brought to justice.
Do you say this when people die as result of his profit seeking?
Do people who work at any company and get murdered should have their killers celebrated? It’s the same thing.
How is it the same thing
Because he worked at a job and other people work at a job. Same thing.
You are a mindless zombies.
Please tell me you’re not trolling, and have an actual working brain to understand your idiocy.
Insulting people isn’t a nice thing to do. Blocking you.
You mean the man who’s company let sick people die by denying proper healthcare, all for the sake of profits? That innocent man? Do not turn this guy in.
By your logic everyone who works any job deserves to die. Your logic is not logical.
If someone’s job is to cause death and suffering and they profit from it then yeah maybe they should face the same.
Calling what this guy did for a living “just a job” is absurd.
It’s not his job to cause death. It was his job to run a company.
A company where the stated objective was to prioritize profit at the cost of human life. That’s a job to cause death.
The people working for that company are not likely to be in a position to quit over ethical issues, as they are trying to feed their families, but the CEO of that company made decisions that directly impacted other people lives and likely killed many. If he didn’t want to deny claims for care, he could have resigned. Instead, he profited.
His job was to cause death. As is the job of all for-profit health care companies.
You could say the same thing about a manager at McDonald’s. They don’t deserve to die.
That makes literally no sense
It makes sense. He worked a job, other people work a job. Same thing.
“I can’t believe they threw me in jail. I pulled a trigger on a gun and shot someone. But other people pull triggers on nail guns all the time and don’t go to jail! It’s the same thing!”
That’s you right now. Two things can be described by the same action but have very different effects, both morally and legally.
Your analogy isn’t logical whereas mine is.
A real life billionaire boot licker I see…
Just Someone who does not believe that people should be gunned down for no reason.
That’s not implied by their logic at all. Not every person is in a position of power like this CEO was, the majority of people don’t have a job that denies people necessary healthcare, and many people will not make the choice to be unethical like this CEO chose.
I understand, and disagree with, the argument that vigilante justice is completely uncalled for but you’re not doing your argument justice here
Murder is not justified for someone working a job people don’t like.
Yo bro are you a ceo? Are you related to the dude that got got? Your hard on for “justice” for the ceo is really weird
I’m just into morality. Murder is wrong.
Do the smart thing, instead of arguing with people who think premeditated homicide can be justified just take advantage of these posts to block those people. Lemmy doesn’t have that big of a community so if you actually take the time to block them you’ll see a lot less of extremist brainwashed people in your feed
I have been blocking people. There’s so many people to block.
Soooo many accounts blocked the last few days. Bad things can happen to bad people without frothing at the mouth and going full bloodlust, but so many people here seem incapable of that.
I get it, the victim could not be any more unsympathetic. But the responses here are beyond sickening. Thank you for being level headed; I appreciate you.
Yes, I cannot believe how many people would like to see those they don’t like just gunned down in cold blood. What is next? You don’t like the homeless person on the corner so you just shoot them in the head?
Actions have consequences. It’s important we have precedents that the world is just
So execute billionaire CEOs of health insurance companies who have caused untold damage to innumerable regular people on the name of profit?
No that’s disgusting and immoral.
No, I just want to shake hands with this guy.
That’s disgusting.
Your morals are oversimplified to the point of being wrong
I’m not wrong. Murder is wrong.
and thus proving their point. congrats.
If the point was murdering the innocent CEO was wrong, then yes.
yes we know you’re a useful idiot. dont need to keep advertising it.
When you insult someone it demonstrates that you have nothing useful to add. Blocking you.
You’re unwittingly defending a profiteering murderer
No I’m not.
The CEO lived by the sword and died by the sword. The amount of suffering and death needed to feed that pig…
There were no swords involved. He was murdered for no reason.
Yes.
Even in a unjust world mob justice isn’t justice. This means a mob deciding someone is guilty and acting out punishment is unjust. But also a mob deciding a crime should go unpunished is unjust.
There’s plenty wrong with how insurance works and plenty wrong with the justice system. But instead of giving up, we should be trying to fix these issues. It’s all to easy to give in to our basic instincts and point to someone to blame. We punish them instead of fixing the issues. Killing one ceo might feel good, but it doesn’t really change the big picture and in fact constitutes layer upon layer of failure. We should be better than that. History is full of people (singular and groups) being used as a scape goat to deflect and feel like something is being done, whilst in fact not actually fixing anything and just feeding hate.
Also in a capitalist world, the people with the most money have the most power. If we collectively decide it’s open warfare, purge style distopia, they are going to have the upper hand. So purely from a self interest point of view, it would be better to work on fixing shit instead of reverting to monke.
But instead of giving up, we should be trying to fix these issues.
Genuine question - how long do you think we should try to fix the issues before coming to the conclusion that they can’t be fixed through conventional means? Do you think we should resort to nonconventional resolutions at all, if the conventional ones cease to function or don’t yield results? If not, why not?
Nobody actually has an answer to that because there is no answer to it.
The system is so broken that there is no longer a way to fix it.
Any processes that could be implemented that have the potential to fix the issues comes from a broken system.
These processes would then be administered by the broken system.
Therefore no matter how good the process is, it will end up broken.
You may say that I am a hopeless person.
You may say that I am wrong and there is obviously something that can be done that has not yet been done.
I would say you are right, but experience indicates that although the possibility of reform exists, the capacity of the system to reform itself would be administered by a broken system.
Therefore even reform will end up broken and fail.
There was a reason why Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned. I’m just out here handing out rosin .
The system is only broken because humans are dicks to other humans
There is no fixing the human condition. Maybe when the computers become sentient they’ll not look too poorly on us.
I think we could be rehabilitated we just can’t be in charge of the rehabilitation
Humans could simply choose not to be evil.
In an ideal system the jury would decide the sentence, and give him one day community service (time served).
Give the killer a life sentence.
And a purple heart, presidential commendation.
No those are only reserved for heros, not disgusting murderers.
Makes sense if they were caught, the system would bring a case against them. But given the facts of the case, a reasonable jury should find them not guilty.
A reasonable jury would give the killer a life sentence.
The comments here are what has prompted me to stop using Lemmy altogether. Farewell.
Where the hell you going to go? The entire internet is this way. Going LAN only?
It’s not the entire Internet. That’s false.
I agree with you. Most people on Lemmy have shown themselves to be disgusting and vile, wishing murder on innocent people. It’s fine as long as it’s not them or their family, as long as it’s anyone else.
Who are you calling innocent? Literally thousands have died so this guy could get a bonus check.
That’s not true. You have no source for this accusation. This is like saying everyone who works at a job deserves to die. (Including yourself if you actually work.)
What do you think happens when someone with a treatable condition that would normally lead to death is denied medication for that condition?
They don’t magically get better.
Under his leadership he had the highest (by far) denial of coverage rate of any healthcare company in the world.
And was trying to push the number of denial to 90+%.
That is millions of people.
Do you think they all magically got better?
The big question to me is, why doesn’t THAT bother you nearly as much? I don’t see your comments sharing any outrage in that direction.
Denying insurance claims isn’t reason to get murdered.
No. I hope he is never found
That’s a disgusting frame of mind. The murderer needs to be caught and punished.
he did get caught and punished. wait…
The murderer has not been caught yet as of this writing. Your information is incorrect.
The murderer was shot and killed. That’s what this whole thing is about.
No the murderer hasn’t been caught yet. You have your information incorrect.
Assuming they catch him, it’s part of the process.
No matter how you cut it, no matter how much you agree with how actions, and whatever reason he may have had, murder isn’t something that can be dismissed when it is an act of its own. It has to be prosecuted.
Now, you might notice that italics. When murder is done as part of war, it isn’t murder any more, it’s an enemy casualty, and isn’t typically going to be prosecuted as murder.
If what the guy did is part of a bigger movement, and that movement ends up with enough changes, it might be treated as no different than a soldier shooting a target on a battlefield. I’m not saying there isn’t a difference, I’m saying that if power shifts enough, the country changes enough, a killer becomes a hero.
If that’s what it turns out to be, trying to prosecute it as murder would be a joke, a waste of time, so I wouldn’t want it to happen.
But if it’s just one dude grinding his own path for himself? Well, if it isn’t prosecuted, it’s as much a failure of the system as every decision the shitty CEO made and wasn’t fired for. Two wrongs don’t make a right on that scale. Tbh, a thousand wrongs for a good reason don’t make a right, it just makes the problem a different scale, with different priorities.
The only difference between an insurrection and a revolution is success, in other words.
This wasn’t part of war. This wasn’t part of any revolution. This was a disgusting murder of an innocent person in cold blood. The killer needs to be caught and brought to justice.
Well all joking aside, he committed first degree murder so yeah. He should be prosecuted and sentenced to prison for several decades.
This should not be a difficult stance to make, and if you’re having trouble reaching this conclusion, you need to take a very hard look in the mirror and get off the internet.
