Icons on the desktop! The minimize button! Visible Panels and docks! Just kidding, don’t have a heart attack. :) Well actually there are some things… just not those! The full list can b…
I have used Clementine and Strawberry, great projects, but unfortunately I no longer have my old music collection, and rely on streaming services these days.
I miss latte dock too, I wish someone would fork it and get it going again. I would do it myself but I’m too lazy and stupid, I just want to use it for free.
I haven’t, at least not in years if I ever did. I didn’t start enjoying Plasma until 4, and I have a feeling I’d miss a whole different set of features going “back” to a 3-style desktop. Do you actually use it daily?
There are a bunch of paper cuts simply because their team is so small that maintaining technical integrity itself and refactoring (e. g. the move to python3 that was completed recently) is a monumental task in and of itself, with new features or bugfixes being a distant priority at best. That’s why there’s still some inconsistency whether some niche features really work or whether things are adapted to work with TDE instead of a stock KDE 3.5; up until I made a pull request to fix it a couple of weeks ago, Konversation still by default pointed to Freenode instead of Libera.Chat for example.
I mean it makes sense, maintaining a desktop environment with dozens upon dozens of programs and features like KDE is really something that needs about as big a team as the KDE team itself was back then, and the handful of people who maintain TDE now are definitely not enough. There’s still apps without a dedicated maintainer, for example, who only have generalists looking if it compiles for every update. It’s not ideal.
That all considered, it runs very well out of the box!
As for positives, it’s my desktop of choice because I disagree with the design philosophy of modern DEs. It seems like they all tend to converge into the exact same direction. It’s all either a macOS knockoff or a Windows knockoff. I can’t even tell Plasma 5 from Windows by default! It has a taskbar on the bottom with a start button to the far left, the clock and date in the bottom right along with the tray and notification area. Desktop icons, right-click context menus, the same general UX. It looks, feels and works exactly like Windows 8-11!
The flat and blur-heavy corporate design that was originally created to be as cheap and agreeable with as many people as possible to maximize profits is entirely uncritically copied by almost all desktops now. Every IRC/XMPP/Matrix client now needs to look like Discord or WhatsApp! I miss when there was still playfulness and personality in design; something like early video game UIs with crazy fonts, materials, textures, colors. UI widgets that felt physically hefty to use, like a button that actually looked like it depressed into something, or tactile, sharp scroll bars. Window decoration that was themed after fantasy creatures, or if you want it more professional, something like wood or marble. You know, something human!
Even the app packages themselves show barely any divergence: every DE nowadays ships with Firefox or Chromium, for example; while in the past, almost every project had their own browser with different features and design goals. Remember Konqueror? I use it on the daily now and didn’t know how cool a file manager-browser hybrid was until I tried. I realize that this is a technical issue and not a motivation issue, but hello?
Innovative features and really experimental design choices are also a thing of the past apparently: ROX Desktop with its drag-and-drop mantra, WMaker with its dockapps, the various 3D environments that cropped up over the years… hold left-click on an empty desktop for an application menu… iconified windows… it’s all gone. It’s all Windows or macOS clones now.
I miss:
I will also miss:
Amarok and Oxygen. Yes. 😔
For Amarok, have you tried Strawberry? It’s based on Amarok and looks pretty similar but it’s actually maintained.
I have used Clementine and Strawberry, great projects, but unfortunately I no longer have my old music collection, and rely on streaming services these days.
I miss latte dock too, I wish someone would fork it and get it going again. I would do it myself but I’m too lazy and stupid, I just want to use it for free.
Have you tried Trinity Desktop? It’s a continuation of KDE 3.5 and it has many of the things you miss and will miss.
I haven’t, at least not in years if I ever did. I didn’t start enjoying Plasma until 4, and I have a feeling I’d miss a whole different set of features going “back” to a 3-style desktop. Do you actually use it daily?
I do use it daily, yeah. :)
There are a bunch of paper cuts simply because their team is so small that maintaining technical integrity itself and refactoring (e. g. the move to python3 that was completed recently) is a monumental task in and of itself, with new features or bugfixes being a distant priority at best. That’s why there’s still some inconsistency whether some niche features really work or whether things are adapted to work with TDE instead of a stock KDE 3.5; up until I made a pull request to fix it a couple of weeks ago, Konversation still by default pointed to Freenode instead of Libera.Chat for example.
I mean it makes sense, maintaining a desktop environment with dozens upon dozens of programs and features like KDE is really something that needs about as big a team as the KDE team itself was back then, and the handful of people who maintain TDE now are definitely not enough. There’s still apps without a dedicated maintainer, for example, who only have generalists looking if it compiles for every update. It’s not ideal.
That all considered, it runs very well out of the box!
As for positives, it’s my desktop of choice because I disagree with the design philosophy of modern DEs. It seems like they all tend to converge into the exact same direction. It’s all either a macOS knockoff or a Windows knockoff. I can’t even tell Plasma 5 from Windows by default! It has a taskbar on the bottom with a start button to the far left, the clock and date in the bottom right along with the tray and notification area. Desktop icons, right-click context menus, the same general UX. It looks, feels and works exactly like Windows 8-11!
The flat and blur-heavy corporate design that was originally created to be as cheap and agreeable with as many people as possible to maximize profits is entirely uncritically copied by almost all desktops now. Every IRC/XMPP/Matrix client now needs to look like Discord or WhatsApp! I miss when there was still playfulness and personality in design; something like early video game UIs with crazy fonts, materials, textures, colors. UI widgets that felt physically hefty to use, like a button that actually looked like it depressed into something, or tactile, sharp scroll bars. Window decoration that was themed after fantasy creatures, or if you want it more professional, something like wood or marble. You know, something human!
Even the app packages themselves show barely any divergence: every DE nowadays ships with Firefox or Chromium, for example; while in the past, almost every project had their own browser with different features and design goals. Remember Konqueror? I use it on the daily now and didn’t know how cool a file manager-browser hybrid was until I tried. I realize that this is a technical issue and not a motivation issue, but hello?
Innovative features and really experimental design choices are also a thing of the past apparently: ROX Desktop with its drag-and-drop mantra, WMaker with its dockapps, the various 3D environments that cropped up over the years… hold left-click on an empty desktop for an application menu… iconified windows… it’s all gone. It’s all Windows or macOS clones now.