• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    or you could say “producers, you’re now paying for the disposal of packaging yourself”

    Definitely wouldn’t solve the problem as they’d just find the cheapest method of disposal to match the letter of the law and go about their day.

    Corporations don’t self-regulate. They regulate the regulators. They work and then later buy the refs.

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      Definitely wouldn’t solve the problem as they’d just find the cheapest method of disposal to match the letter of the law and go about their day.

      Those are illegal. Already were before. I’m not talking about a hypothetical, here, the policy is over 30 years old.

      Corporations don’t self-regulate. They regulate the regulators. They work and then later buy the refs.

      Yeah if they do that were you are then maybe elect better politicians. They sure as hell try it over here but it’s not nearly as much as an issue as e.g. in the US.

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        4 months ago

        I dunno if I were in Germany I wouldn’t be so smug about electing politicians that prevent a slide into fascism.

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          4 months ago

          Are you actually trying to make a point or did you simply want to be hostile.

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            4 months ago

            My point is that it’s not as simple as setting “common sense” neoliberal rules when the corporations actively evade them. The problem in the US is also more complicated than you’re making it, here we need to basically redo a court which is full of people on lifetime appointments in order to roll back their ruling that political corruption is basically free speech.

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              The stuff I described was not a neoliberal rule at all, they abhor any kind of regulation that’s not securing property rights for the affluent.

              This “regulate away market failures to approach the ideal of the free market better” thing is ordoliberalism. An actual economic theory I don’t fully agree with but which is mostly sane, and is, most of all, unlike neoliberalism not pure class war. Ordoliberalism e.g. considers welfare necessary so that the labour market isn’t stacked in favour of the employers.