That’s not quite what orientalism means. It’s not just ‘concerning China/Chinese’, even negatively. Orientalism would be saying that this protestor had a right to play his music because Chinese people are naturally musical. Or something like that.
The case itself raises some interesting issues, such as the internal contradictions within liberal rights and the contradiction of relying on those rights in a place that sits between liberalism and anti-liberalism. The problems arising from the latter might lead to orientalist statements as the result (whatever the result) may be confused for something arising from ethnicity rather than politics.
It should also raise the interesting issue of what it means for Hong Kong to have glory. Hong Kong’s long illustrious history is through its participation in China. This protest song is about Hong Kong separatism, which is based in the very short and terrible history of British domination and occupation which was predicated entirely on selling opium to China and then invading them when they outlawed the drug due to 40% of the population becoming addicted. These are far more interesting questions, in my opinion, than whether or not playing a song is a universal human right that cannot be truncated by a state in its attempts to manage the peaceful transition away from barbaric European domination.
I know that’s how I usually have robust conversations about complex topics - singing. That’s why they use song at sporting events and political rallies.
So your argument is that you don’t believe art is, or should be an appropriate vehicle for expressing, interpreting or otherwise engaging with complex socio-political issues? Did I do a eurocentrism again?
Do you really need to have this conversation right now? Are you ignorant of the deeply violent and oppressive history of the British? Do we need to rehash, yet again, how European fascism thrives and replicates quickly and broadly under conditions of liberal free speech?
Honestly I used it sarcastically, because IIRC one of the Lemmy devs/.ml admins used that as an excuse to censor news articles about the Uighur genocide
World [email protected] removed an opinion peace critical of the CCP. Check the mod log filtering on my name. So now I post in lemmy.ml which seems to have a more mature culture of debate and discussion based on search of opinion posts and pinned politics post of the lemmy.ml owner.
I just looked at the mod log for that community and it doesn’t show anything removed with your name, nor anything related to the CPC or China at all. In fact, there’s almost nothing in the mod log for that community; it seems to remove hardly anything.
That’s literally what it looks like when you accuse China of fascism. You have no clue how foolish you look to 80% of the planet. The only people who agree with you look like you.
Surprised the admins let this stay up despite it’s “orientalism” (aka not supporting CCP fascism)
I can cross horseshoe theory off my bingo card for the day!
I mean…incidentally everyone seems to be more concerned with poking the bear in this thread, than the actual topic being discussed…
That’s not quite what orientalism means. It’s not just ‘concerning China/Chinese’, even negatively. Orientalism would be saying that this protestor had a right to play his music because Chinese people are naturally musical. Or something like that.
The case itself raises some interesting issues, such as the internal contradictions within liberal rights and the contradiction of relying on those rights in a place that sits between liberalism and anti-liberalism. The problems arising from the latter might lead to orientalist statements as the result (whatever the result) may be confused for something arising from ethnicity rather than politics.
It should also raise the interesting issue of what it means for Hong Kong to have glory. Hong Kong’s long illustrious history is through its participation in China. This protest song is about Hong Kong separatism, which is based in the very short and terrible history of British domination and occupation which was predicated entirely on selling opium to China and then invading them when they outlawed the drug due to 40% of the population becoming addicted. These are far more interesting questions, in my opinion, than whether or not playing a song is a universal human right that cannot be truncated by a state in its attempts to manage the peaceful transition away from barbaric European domination.
Can’t say I disagree.
How can you possibly expect to have a robust conversation about the exact thing you want to discuss if you are not allowed to sing a song about it?
I know that’s how I usually have robust conversations about complex topics - singing. That’s why they use song at sporting events and political rallies.
So your argument is that you don’t believe art is, or should be an appropriate vehicle for expressing, interpreting or otherwise engaging with complex socio-political issues? Did I do a eurocentrism again?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_the_American_Civil_War
Do you really need to have this conversation right now? Are you ignorant of the deeply violent and oppressive history of the British? Do we need to rehash, yet again, how European fascism thrives and replicates quickly and broadly under conditions of liberal free speech?
https://www.cia.gov/static/598a62b34629a8120fb16d68e440aa15/Director_Burns_Aspen_Security_Forum_Transcript_07202023.pdf
Ok that’s what I thought.
Honestly I used it sarcastically, because IIRC one of the Lemmy devs/.ml admins used that as an excuse to censor news articles about the Uighur genocide
I think we can all agree that absurd conspiracy theories for idiots should be removed.
World [email protected] removed an opinion peace critical of the CCP. Check the mod log filtering on my name. So now I post in lemmy.ml which seems to have a more mature culture of debate and discussion based on search of opinion posts and pinned politics post of the lemmy.ml owner.
I just looked at the mod log for that community and it doesn’t show anything removed with your name, nor anything related to the CPC or China at all. In fact, there’s almost nothing in the mod log for that community; it seems to remove hardly anything.
Might be under my instance infosec.pub. See https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=606019
As long as they’re consistently removing all opinion pieces then I don’t really see a problem.
Oh man, do I have bad news for you…
Anglo fascist detected.
😂 you people are insane and just keep coming out of the woodwork acting like the words you’re saying are real and mean anything
That’s literally what it looks like when you accuse China of fascism. You have no clue how foolish you look to 80% of the planet. The only people who agree with you look like you.
Uh huh, sure
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 your the fascist buddy you can upload wbatever soros overlord stuff you want buddy
Who’s Soros?