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    Huh.
    Crypto is a neat idea. Good crypto is not a bad thing.
    But crypto is a huge energy sink, tho. For no tangible product.

    Crypto also is a huge part of scams, black market, money laundering, and predatory gambling. Never mind the various pump&dump scams, insider trading, fraud, thefts etc.
    For reference, the majority of Coffiezillas YouTube channel of him exposing, investigating and explaining these things from influencers to FTX, moonshot, roobet and loads more.

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    Marc van der Chijs said, “I don’t think Trump’s speech will gain him a lot of new voters among Bitcoiners.”

    “The other way around, many will now see him for what he really is,” he added. “It was my first time watching him speak live. He sounds like a low IQ conman to me, I wouldn’t believe anything he tells me.”

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    nice to have all the rotten eggs in one basket

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    First Trump seeks support from the Libertarian Party.

    Now he seeks support from the Cryptobros.

    And then he will seek support from the Furry Raiders?

    If that last thing becomes a reality, consider Trump a Republican Oxymoron.

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    If you’re in these comments saying Bitcoin is a waste of energy resources, come prepared with the amount of energy traditional finance uses. How many banks have big empty buildings in downtown that keep their lights on all night? Security trucks to transport cash, etc.

    What the Fediverse has done for social media, Bitcoin does for money.

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      Bitcoin has done jack shit.

      Move bitcoin from proof-of-work, then start building an argument.

      Banks do a hell lot more than just basic transactions.

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        PoW is necessary to financially disincentivize attacks on the network.

        Programmable money can achieve everything a bank does and more. Imagine automations that have their own wallets and can pay people (or other bots) to do things.

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          What are you talking about?

          How in the hell does PoW better disincentivize attacks than PoS?

          And programmable anything is a big mistake. As a software developer, I want LESS programmable things, specially in life-threatening scenarios.

          Remove humans from equation, wonder later why there’s nobody do blame for the catastrophy.

          And fuck every system that enables such state.

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            Attacking a PoW system costs more than a bad actor would receive in reward for attacking the system.

            There’s good book I can recommend that you might enjoy as a programmer if you want to learn more about this: Mastering Bitcoin by Andreas Antonopolis. He is a Greek CS nerd who got into it during the Greek financial crisis and explains this all very well.

            It’s strange to me to be a professional programmer and have no interest in highly secure programmable money and distributed systems for consensus, but you do you. I am not here to change your mind.

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              Because if you know one thing about software as a developer, it’s that it’s never secure, not even now.

              I have no desire to automate everything and let bad actor disrupt the global system of anything.

              Remember crowdstrike?

              Also, PoWs have been split in the past thanks to cloud, what are you talking about.

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                Never secure? Maybe you and I have a different definition of secure. Billions are currently secured in BTC, and have been for years.

                Crowdstrike is an argument against your point - single point of failure and too much power in one actor.

                Please send me the example you mentioned about Bitcoin’s PoW being “split by cloud” - not sure what that means.

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                  Yes, we obviously have different definition of security, as you imagine at being ‘outside the traditional banks’, not ‘guaranteed to be at your disposal and accepted by the rest of the world’.

                  Bitcoin is just one crypto, which is still being developed, and if you think CrowdStrike is an argument against thousands of banks versus one git repo, I have a bridge to sell to you.

                  It gets really exhausting talking to people with minimum technical knowledge at best about this stuff. 51% attacks have been done in the past, acting like it’s not possible is just plain stupid.

                  PoW is a huge energy black hole with nothing to show for it.

                  Bitcoin by itself has done very little for the general public, its biggest achievement was spawning other coins, which was the idea from the start. BTC should have died a decade ago.

                  Crypto is and should remain a niche past time for some techical folk, once big money goes in, it will kill the retail (non-business) users. Big players will make (or already made) PoW and PoS irrelevant for basic users. At least stop them from killing the planet.

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        BTC can use the same amount of energy it does now and process every transaction that tradfi does. Aka it’s more efficient than the legacy system it will replace

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          Dude are you on crack or something?

          How do you compare bitcoin with tradfi? Where do get those facts from?