As a swede I am on the fence on wether Sweden should join NATO in the first place, but at least we’re not out for the stupidest fucking reason anymore.
I think most people who have switched sides, who were originally for/split, would today argue that it’s unlikely that Russia would stage another war in the coming years. Looking at how poorly they are performing in Ukraine.
So getting into NATO with the possibility that Erdogan’s demands will have an actual effect on the Swedish laws has not been deemed worth it right now.
I also doubt anybody reasonable would consider some of his demands to be achievable, Turkey in EU today?
Worth noting I am partly speaking from my own assessment as well. I want us to join NATO but I don’t find it to be an affair that is as urgent anymore and I’d preferably have it done without any greater effects on our justice system or other parts that Erdogan was unhappy about.
However, it’s worth noting that there are still a reasonable amount of swedes who are completely against NATO.
West was coping a few weeks ago with an internal conflict incited by Prigozhin, so that Putin can die and Russia stop. Even Greta Thunberg is now part of the psyop, its gotten so bad. Stop the cope, Russia won this war of attrition months ago.
Moreover, the list of wunderwaffen game changers that failed continues to grow:
Javelins
Nlaw’s
Bayraktars
T-91 twardys
Himars
Large numbers of apcs mwraps
M-777’s
Leopard 2’s
…
The only thing on the horizon is NATO preparing for a final scream of agony, a final war to end wars, considering now all of NATO media is suspiciously quiet over USA sending banned cluster bombs to Ukraine. This only sets a precedent for the other banned weapon - nuclear.
Sweden currently would be in a perfect selfish situation.
Norway and Finland are in. So sweden cannot be attacked by russia without NATO helping them unless russia only attacks islands. But Sweden has free choice to participate or ignore NATO being attacked.
Now Sweden has to help NATO wherever they are being attacked.
Finland and Sweden have been cooperating in matters of defense for a long time. Now they both are NATO members, that united defense should be a credible deterrent to Russia. In Sweden was left out, that structure would have been weaker.
As a swede I am on the fence on wether Sweden should join NATO in the first place, but at least we’re not out for the stupidest fucking reason anymore.
What are your counter points? Other than not wanting to be a staging ground for a potential NATO/Russian war?
I think most people who have switched sides, who were originally for/split, would today argue that it’s unlikely that Russia would stage another war in the coming years. Looking at how poorly they are performing in Ukraine.
So getting into NATO with the possibility that Erdogan’s demands will have an actual effect on the Swedish laws has not been deemed worth it right now.
I also doubt anybody reasonable would consider some of his demands to be achievable, Turkey in EU today?
That’s a pretty good assessment. Thanks for the insight.
Worth noting I am partly speaking from my own assessment as well. I want us to join NATO but I don’t find it to be an affair that is as urgent anymore and I’d preferably have it done without any greater effects on our justice system or other parts that Erdogan was unhappy about.
However, it’s worth noting that there are still a reasonable amount of swedes who are completely against NATO.
West was coping a few weeks ago with an internal conflict incited by Prigozhin, so that Putin can die and Russia stop. Even Greta Thunberg is now part of the psyop, its gotten so bad. Stop the cope, Russia won this war of attrition months ago.
Moreover, the list of wunderwaffen game changers that failed continues to grow:
The only thing on the horizon is NATO preparing for a final scream of agony, a final war to end wars, considering now all of NATO media is suspiciously quiet over USA sending banned cluster bombs to Ukraine. This only sets a precedent for the other banned weapon - nuclear.
Don’t worry, there’s plenty of other banned weapons NATO can use before they go nuclear: biological weapons, chemical weapons, high energy weapons…
USA already was preparing for biochemical on Russia’s borders with all the factories and fundings discovered, which is interesting to observe.
Do they think not being in NATO will save them if they’re between Russia and a NATO member?
Sweden currently would be in a perfect selfish situation.
Norway and Finland are in. So sweden cannot be attacked by russia without NATO helping them unless russia only attacks islands. But Sweden has free choice to participate or ignore NATO being attacked.
Now Sweden has to help NATO wherever they are being attacked.
Finland and Sweden have been cooperating in matters of defense for a long time. Now they both are NATO members, that united defense should be a credible deterrent to Russia. In Sweden was left out, that structure would have been weaker.