Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president
Count #1: Guilty
Count #2: Guilty
Count #3: Guilty
Count #4: Guilty
Count #5: Guilty
Count #6: Guilty
Count #7: Guilty
Count #8: Guilty
Count #9: Guilty
Count #10: Guilty
Count #11: Guilty
Count #12: Guilty
Count #13: Guilty
Count #14: Guilty
Count #15: Guilty
Count #16: Guilty
To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”
When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit
I have doubts he will do any time.
I can dream. I guess there’s some consolation to his mind slowly becoming his prison. If anyone deserves dementia, it’s this traitor
Asshole kept comparing himself to Capone…
Let’s give him what he wants!
Sentence his ass to 11 years & a roaring case of neurosyphilis.
I kinda think he may already have neurosyphilis. Didn’t he have weird sores on his hands? Whatever it is, there’s definitely something wrong with that pile of turds and KFC bones he calls a brain.
There has been something wrong with his brain for years. But yeah, I think it may be getting worse. I hope he is suffering and miserable.
Double the neurosyphilis! Or maybe just double syphilis & give him a different kind of syphilis too.
Double your pleasure Double your fun It’s the right one Give double-syphillis. Done.
Each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years of prison apparently. Usually that is served concurrently, but he is technically a first time felon so I doubt he is going to do any time at all.
The judge has all the leeway in this case. Since these crimes were committed to influence an election and undermine democracy, the judge can make him go to prison for the 4 years.
Another factor in sentencing is remorse - Trump has never said he’s genuinely sorry for anything. If the judge isn’t convinced that this is a one time thing (which is tough since it’s 34 charges involving multiple events with multiple accomplices), prison is more likely.
Absolutely fair. I am just shitting out what other pundits have said. We really won’t know what happens until July 11th.
With the logistics of imprisoning a past president, and the “kid gloves” the justice system has been using on trump, I see 1 year of house arrest as the most likely outcome, plus some fines.
That’s after the next 8 years of appeals…
What about the neurosyphilis? Can we still give him neurosyphilis?
Have to have the “neuro” part, first.
Does neurosyphilis become regular syphilis if there’s no neuro to syphil? Cause I’d be alright with that!
Haha, or dementia. I don’t wish that suffering on anyone, id rather he just shut his mouth and stop being a hateful shit.
Something tells me the latter has already occurred.
Those spirochetes are leaving hole like a cork screw in his brain.
It’s… 4 years maximum.
4 years maximum.
Which is not typically given to people convicted of this sort of crime, especially on their first conviction.
I happened to be in my mother’s house when she called me to look at it live and there was zero mention on CNN of whether or not he would serve time over it. Sentencing in July.
Anyone know likelihood of jail time?
Cohen got jail time for this crime.
This needs to be brought up every damned time this subject comes up. Cohen served time for the exact same crime - so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
The American justice system has been successfully boiled down to a pay to play system and it’s unfair to not let other rich people go for more serious crimes, but not Trump .
I mean I don’t think they would be honest enough to run with that, but it’s the only argument I can think of that would be based on an unfortunate truth.
Everyone consciously or subconsciously knows the justice system works differently for different classes. The only reason anyone who leans right actually believes it could be a “witch hunt” is because no one has an iota of faith in the justice system. Sending a “billionaire” to jail is so rare that the possibility of it happening seems suspicious.
It takes a lot of balls to send a former and possibly future president to prison. Way more balls than sending his lackay.
Cohen didn’t need a secret service detail.
The Guardian are reporting it is unlikely he will see jail time
Edit: it’s not a disagree button, it’s being widely reported he is unlikely to see jail time. that doesn’t mean i think he shouldn’t see jail time
Everyone is reporting he won’t see jail time, which in my view is giving the court a pass on giving him a light sentence.
In my opinion, Trump gained so much, and could gain so much from a repeat offense, that jail is the only compelling punishment for him. He is unrepentant, and would do it again in a heartbeat.
You are correct, but nevertheless, a court so cowardly they cannot hold him accountable for blatant violations of court orders will not jail him either.
He could never go to a traditional jail, not with the amount of classified information he was exposed to.
He would need a separate area of Leavenworth with no interaction with other humans except the guard and secret service detail unfortunately assigned to him.
Then he has hell to look forward to.
100%, how is this not more significant when people guess whether or not Trump will serve time? Cohen got jail time for this, and he turned himself in, and cooperated.
Trump did nothing redeeming, and he was the guy giving the orders, how is it even conceivable that Trump should be punished less?
Cohen doesn’t have a cult of dimwits willing to betray every value they claim to have in order to vote for him, tho.
And a stacked supreme court in his favor
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He did not. Cohen pleaded guilty to 5 counts of tax evasion (class B felony), one count of making false statements to a federally insured bank (class C felony), one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution (class D felony) , one count of making an excessive campaign contribution (class D felony).
Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records (class E felony).
If one is being objective and not paying attention to his former job or publicity, he’s a first time offender convicted of non-violent offenses with a business footprint that makes him low risk for probation violation.
He would also place a burden on the penal system if incarcerated, and his current state of having round the clock law enforcement presence further lowers the likelihood that he goes to prison.On the flip side, he has done a lot to actively antagonize the person who will be mostly in charge of his fate, and he’s got a good month to build a body of evidence that says he’ll immediately disrespect probation.
So almost certainly not, but it’s not as close to zero as you would expect for a former president.
Slim chance. It’s his first offence (first conviction anyway) and a non violent crime. Can’t see the judge jailing him, especially given the logistics involved with the Secret Service having to protect him.
Cohen served time for this exact same crime in the exact same state. I think he was sentenced to 3 years and did 1.5 due to covid early release. That was also his first felony.
It’s fully possible he gets jail time.
I need this. I didn’t know how much I needed this until now.
No you don’t. It literally does not affect you.
this actually affects the entire world. We all have our knockoff trumps, and this needs to show them and our countries that there will be consequences for them.
At least, there’s the likelyhood of it. Bolsonaro didn’t get prison time, but at least he got barred from politics and his passport revoked. Hopefully similar things happen to Fidesz & Orban, Milei and various others.
Women in Texas have literally seen their rights to their own body stripped away by state level politicians supported by the 5th circuit and further bolstered by SCOTUS.
It quite literally does, affect me.
Oh, I didn’t know that. Fingers crossed then!
Given Trump’s age though, I just don’t think it’s likely - much as I would love to see him behind bars.
Stop saying Cohen got convicted for the exact same crime! It’s misinformation. They both got a completely different set of counts.
Maybe convicted ex presidents shouldn’t get secret service protection
I get what you’re saying, but I think without that protection it’s pretty likely he’d be killed in prison.
They have protective custody for certain inmates that require protection, for example, Epstein.
I dunno. Epstein was pretty high profile (and it might not have worked out great for him, either), but a former president is really high profile. I have no idea how they would handle it, but if we’re lucky enough to see it, it’ll be quite interesting for sure
I’m not seeing the downside.
True, but he wasn’t sentenced to death. We owe all prisoners the same protections.
It’s not like they’re going to put him with the general population. And USSS agents don’t sign up to be in prison.
IIRC, probably the Secret Service will enter a memorandum of understanding with the New York Department of Corrections, and negotiate who and what goes where. Probably means Trump will get a wing of Rikers to himself.
Don’t worry, I have full confidence in the Secret Service’s ability to keep Trump perfectly safe while he’s making license plates!
Ah that’s probably true. He’s rich and white enough to end up in a resort prison, I’m sure.
Not in solitary confinement (unless he’s on suicide watch ofc)
So you support leaking the country’s biggest secrets just because he did bad thing?
He leaked the country’s biggest secrets when he gave classified documents to foreign adversaries. Stop trying to pretend that’s what you’re actually worried about. You’re always defending Trump. You’re just worried about his well being, not our country.
I knew this was coming.
He leaked
I was more referring to one of the general reasons that the Secret Service stays with ALL presidents forever.
You’re always defending Trump
Um, this is literally the first time I have ever commented about the man in my entire life.
He already sold them.
My understanding is that we will see an appeal before sentencing on July 11th. If that is not successful, then he will get anything from a slap on the wrist to jail time. Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate. Jail time is going to have a lot of custom rules and exeptions that we are unprepared for; primarily secret secret protection.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-jury-deliberations-watch-1.7218775 conviction section
Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate
AFAIK no one is left
I mean, SS protection should be pretty easy if he’s locked in an 8x10 cell.
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Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate.
While you are probably right, that is fucking stupid.
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Npr reporter said that each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years in jail but usually served concurrently and the judge apparently already made a comment about jail time is not a guarantee or something. I am betting another useless fine and maybe some probation.
I’m not counting on jail time (though I can dream!). Just parroting an oft used law and order conservative catchphrase
He could simply get parole, but if he does get any Jail time it will be delayed until his defence team have exhausted their appeals. Definitely won’t see jail before the election sadly.
Basically zero. Even if it wasn’t a political/social crisis to put him in prison, he is a white guy who did a non-violent crime.
The most he would get would be house arrest. Which he would instantly violate.
He won’t, rules for me and you, not for the ruling class.
They already let him leave. He’s not setting foot in a blue state again either ever, or until after he takes office. Depending on the election.
I imagine that if the judge puts him in jail, preventing him from being elected as president, there’s going to be a lot of shtf. And by a lot, I mean across the entire country.
Maybe not, but it still sets a nice precedent that there is no magical spall-trap that will be spring if we convict a former president of crimes.
Now it just needs to be done for something he did in office.
Some other Lemmy commenter suggested community service instead of jail time.
There’s something very appealing about the prospect of Trump, in a high-vis vest, picking up trash along the side of the freeway.Says he’ll likely just pay a fine. “Can afford the fine, can do the crime” is more like it.
|Get fucked!
Rule of 34 charges.
An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.
Guilty all 34 counts.
Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!
Holy shit.
In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.
Well here’s hoping this judge is tired enough of Trump’s shit.
Something something historic trial something decorum something tradition and that’s why he’ll walk free.
That and the judge is probably terrified of having his house firebombed.
This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him. None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Idk Trump was literally attacking this judge’s daughter.
Any other person would’ve been held in contempt.
Even a mere 6 months would be enough.
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Don’t know about that, judging by the show Delocated, the witness protection program looks fun. Your own skins bar!
We’ll see on July 11th, but most likely it’s going to be some symbolic fine or gesture, but we’re not seeing this geriatric, senile old man who is also a former president, go to prison, where he would likely die as the country faces massive terrorist attacks and uprisings of dumbasses with deadly weapons, no judge in the country would do that no matter their political leaning if they at all took their job seriously and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books.
House arrest may be an option but that would be seen as a political attack because it would stop him from campaigning and that would go straight to supreme court, which we know how that would turn out. Judges know all this, their hands are pretty much tied.
edit: I can’t understand this internet knee-jerk response system that plagued reddit as well as here where people will just downvote a comment to oblivion if they don’t like the possible reality it presents. You’re not exercising your critical thinking here, you’re making yourself dumber by not considering things you don’t like.
If your hands are tied by the corruption of others, make them do the corruption, don’t just preemptively do it for them.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
Okay I’m not against this and never said I was, I’m simply saying that this outcome where Trump goes to prison isn’t going to happen and you’re going to have to deal with it. Everyone is. That’s all. You can’t make this happen, our collective voice will not make this happen. People are getting some weird sense of unrealistic entitlement about this verdict.
The world doesn’t work the way we want and if we could all just get that through our skulls we would make better political choices and actually start focusing on what matters which is community action and organization in your local communities and districts, the places that support, prop-up and create the political theater that we wish would go away.
The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc? Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes. If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already. It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
Everyone likes to circlejerk about revolution or whatever, but for 99.9% of people in developed countries, life is too good to put it on the line.
I’m saying that people in positions of leadership, from judges to attorneys are not going to want to take that chance and be the ones responsible on even the remote chance that there’s any kind of civil unrest. This is regardless of the actual chances of anything happening, it’s about liability not probability.
I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books
So what you’re saying is he’s definitely going to prison.
I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…
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He was a former president. The prosecution would never have gone to trial without a watertight case.
Sure, but I still didn’t expect the jury to be unanimous and especially not on all counts. Glad they were though :-)
He’ll appeal.
Doesn’t mean he’ll get what he wants though
LOCK HIM UP
For more details, google “trump ruling 34”
Conservative comments on this joyous event can be divided into three groups.
Group 1: how dare the government do this to our golden god!?
Group 2: this is good for Trump’s campaign for reasons
Group 3: the demonrats are going to say mean things about us
Note that none of these are “oh man, I might have been wrong to support him.” The complete absence of regret coupled with severe delusions around trump are more than slightly distressing in the long term.
Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?
Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.
I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.
Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn’t find anything on her assistant’s laptop?
I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.
She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving “speeches” to.
She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.
She could have not said “Sit down and shut up” to BLM activists.
There are a lot of things she could have done.
She could have Pokemon gone to Michigan
Amazing 👏
She was too busy “just chilling” in Cedar Rapids
With hot sauce in her purse? 👛👜
That’s a trick question btw - the hot sauce is always in her purse! 😂
Or, like, hear me out, the Democrats could have not nominated her and nominated someone who isn’t strongly disliked by both sides.
Should’ve Been Bernie
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To be fair, we elected a Bush twice, and if Sirhan Sirhan hadn’t shot Bobby we’d have had two Kennedies to go along with the Roosevelts and Adamses
She could also not have stolen the fucking nomination from Sanders
I think she would’ve won regardless of everything else, but it would’ve been closer. Really the mistake from the primaries is that she didn’t really try to incorporate any of Bernie’s ideas into her platform, or even work with him at all. She treated him as an opponent and obstacle, not as a rival and peer.
This is where Biden was successful however – he didn’t dismiss Bernie nor his platform ideas. He did incorporate some into presidency, most obviously the climate change policies and student debt forgiveness where possible.
And where I sincerely believe this difference came down to – Biden was friendly to Bernie in the Senate and made an effort to be friendly colleagues, if not work friends. Clinton didn’t. It shows the power of cooperation allying together with progressives, instead of allying together with “moderate” Republicans.
Its fine though. The Supreme Court said they can rig their own primaries. /s
That’s all true, but she still would have won without the dramatic search of Huma Abadeen’s laptop.
You know I completely forgot about that laptop thing. I remember the emails but that is about it.
I dont think that moved anyone. Like I really dont. The laptop thing was only interesting to Trump die-hards.
Maybe, but it happened right before the election. I observed noticeable shift in attitude. That’s not good evidence, I know, but Clinton’s polls which had been steady, took a 3% dip at the time and stayed down through election day.
People talked about the polls being off compared to the election, but the election matched the post-Comey polls pretty well. It’s only the polls that mixed pre-Comey data that were too high for Clinton.
There were a lot of factors at play in 2016, and the margin was tiny. She had a lot of factors under her control that could’ve led to victory.
Voters decided against her for mishandling classified documents, right? So these same voters, who think things through with consistency and integrity, will decide against someone who stole boxes of documents and got CIA agents killed selling state secrets to Russia, right?
Trying to run for president while having two X chromosomes was a massive error on her part as well.
It blows my mind that anyone can still be undecided in 2024.
Lot of people don’t pay any attention to politics. Yes, even in this climate.
Everyone talks about his base as an unmoving monolith. But to get elected, he needs more than his base. He needs the fence sitters. Many of these people may be very ill informed about all the corruption in his original administration and his business dealings. This result will make a big difference to them because it’s simple to understand. He’s a convicted felon.
34 times no less.
This. There’s a lot of components to his base.
This is not a good outcome for his campaign.
To many of them, no. To some who would have voted for him, maybe yes.
There’s some evidence to suggest he’ll lose significant support: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48654-would-donald-trump-conviction-move-his-voters-evidence-from-past-present-bill-clinton-polls
But hard to know for sure.
I’m making a called shot of a drop into the 40’s for July’s polling.
He wont’ drop below 25%, ever. That’s his core. They may never support another candidate again.
However, dropping to high 30’s low 40’s only puts Trump back to par with Biden. Hardly a W, but at lease Biden would be back in the running.
They may never support another candidate again.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
I mean it in a “There are still people who think gamestop is going to be a billion dollar stock” manner.
See: https://lemmy.world/c/gamestopstock
Cult/ Cargo cult level “They will never support another candidate again” is what I mean. They’ll write him in. They’ll have wild conspiracy theories. Not need to push. It will happen it on its own.
I would guess its around 25-30% of Republican voters. Its the conspiracy theory mind-set cutting backwards against those that seed it. There is no undoing this.
If Donald could please just die and they continue writing in his name for all future votes that would be great. They are the most ignorant and racist people within a party wholly committed to cultivating ignorant and racist voters.
Thats what I’m conjecturing. This is the cohort that thought JFK was going to show up to some event or something a few months ago.
A few months ago? Jesus Christ, I remember that dumb shit from the numerology crew and I had kinda lost track of them for a couple of years. This country would be so much better if they would throw their ballots in the trash. Here’s hoping.
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I suspect some people will mental gymnastics themselves into thinking this isn’t a serious crime, and stipulating an abstract ‘serious crime’ yields more extreme results than we’ll see as a result of this verdict.
But a few percentage point swing in a few key states is enough to ensure a Biden victory, so it may be enough.
The fact of the matter is for a lot of white Americans it’s either support the republican nominee or those scary minorities will take over. To them, a white criminal is preferable to what they see as guliable saps at best or race traitors at worst.
That’s before Facebook and Fox News kicks in though.
They can rewrite people’s brains.
The end of the article after discussing the failure of the impeachment of Clinton to actually change polls despite a difference in the hypothetical poll question before it occurred:
“It’s possible for people to say a conviction would change their minds, but when/if [a conviction] happens, it’s possible (even likely) that it won’t matter at all."
I think “all 34 counts” is more meaningful than 33 out 34 or anything less.
Any truly room temperature IQ folks out there can maybe see the light. Maybe.
Or they see it as “See? The courts are obviously corrupted. Not even one count was innocent? There’s no way he committed THAT much crime.”
Anecdotal… we drove through rural Ohio a few weeks ago. In several hours of travel we only saw ONE trump sign. The same place in 2016 or 2020 would have been full of them. Regardless of the impact of this, the enthusiasm is dead. There might be “maga guys” on Twitter but they’re largely disengaged in real life.
Can confirm the other way around; Saw one sign in all of Iowa. None in Nebraska. It was pleasant aside from all the Jesus/Abortion signage lol
I rode the MABDR last week which for me involves traveling through a wide swath of rural Pennsylvania. Nearly all of the Trump paraphernalia is gone from people’s yards. I used to see hundreds of Trump signs and flags, confederate flags, the works. Now there are only a few dedicated nutters left. They know who they are.
- The Stan Clark Military Books store on 30 west of Gettysburg that has a massive “Don’t Blame Us, We Voted For Trump/Pence” sign (notably, still including Pence!) right out front of their business. Here it is on Street View. As an extra slap in the face, this is right on the edge of the Gettysburg battlefield and memorial.
- The twerp in Biglerville who has his tiny front yard fenced off with chicken wire and used to have a life sized Trump mannequin in his lawn dressed up in propaganda T-shirts all the time. I thought for sure he moved since all was subdued there for a few months last year, but now he’s got all kinds of Trump and alt-right flags all over his lawn and porch. His place was looking comparatively tame last year.
- The marquee on what I assume is the old bank building in Red Lion which has a marquee on it that reads “If Biden is the answer, how stupid was the question?” Street View link here.. The sides of it read “Frauds of 2020” and “Pause for enlightenment.”
- The guy on 896 just south of Ninepoints with the giant “Trump Not Bought Or Sold” sign (except by the Russians, of course). He has another massive sign next to it with some anti-Biden thing on it but I can’t remember what it says offhand. Alas, his Street View photo was apparently taken in 2019 which was before the signs went up.
The remainder of these dillweeds seem to be… curiously silent compared to previously. It’s kind of weird.
If you sneak into their safe spaces online you can definitely tell they are unmotivated compared to 4-8 years ago.
They liked Trump because he bullied others publicly. They don’t want to side with the guy currently getting bullied, goes against their survival instinct.
I was just in South Arkansas for a few days, and only saw one flag, and no bumper stickers for trump
I drove there a few hours ago and saw like 4. But that’s definitely less than even last year
All the people in my development that had them up still have the signs from 2020 going strong… It’s still pretty split from talking with neighbors. One person near me is in business selling heavy equipment and they’re looking forward to trump because they feel they sell more equipment when republicans are in office. I guess that’s a viewpoint… For sure.
Wait… But Biden passed a massive infrastructure law. There’s a lot of people who could feel like he didn’t really do anything to improve their economic outlook, but a guy who sells heavy equipment shouldn’t be one of them.
Happened to me. We got one of those contracts and I got a pretty respectable raise
My gut feeling is there’s nothing in this world that will sway his core supporters. Those rabid mouth-breathing dumbass kool-aid drinking dipshits would disown their own children if they thought one of them voted for a democrat.
However, I think it could sway a lot of swing voters away from Trump. In American elections for POTUS, swing voters are extremely important.
Unfortunately, Biden is fucking up so bad on foreign policy (Gaza) that will lose Biden a lot of swing voters, too. Still anybody’s race is my guess.
This is just all my gut. It’s hard to trust polls anymore.
Swing voters either dgaf about Gaza or are in favor of what Israel is doing. Gaza hurts Biden with his base.
Anyone who gives a shit about Gaza probably should try to ensure the country doesn’t elect a Muslim Ban guy who wants to accelerate the genocide and deport anyone protesting it.
Fuck off to Nick Fuentes then.
FYI: Those leftists are right wing trolls under a false flag, exactly like those “Biden takes 100% blame for Israel’s every action” guys. They come from /pol and Telegram.
1 in 6 say it could change their mind https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/one-in-six-voters-say-trump-verdict-could-change-their-minds-ahead-of-tight-election-poll-finds/ar-BB1nl6y2
I wonder how many of those 1 in 6 just want the fighting to stop instead of caring about either side.
This matters to intelligent, educated, and critically-thinking people. So, no, it doesn’t matter to his sycophants.
Doubt it, but I don’t care. They are basically a cult at this point, no rational thought.
This matters to everyone else. And it could keep him from being president again.
It emboldens his supporters because they believe the “deep state”, “witch hunt”, “Democrats paid off the jury” etc according to social media now.
I could see Biden dropping out of the debate also saying “I don’t debate felons”.
I doubt Biden would use this as an excuse to drop out of the debate. His campaign thinks the debate will help him more than Trump, and they’re probably right. Outside of his diehard supporters and people keeping up with politics, most voters haven’t heard Trump speak at length since the end of his presidency. The debate is an opportunity to remind them how fucking weird he is.
Maybe his core supporters, but past elections have shown that he can’t win the popular vote. He is dependent on swing states where there are more people on the fence, and this might be enough.
I think a lot of his supporters are mostly burnt out on him. Even the hardliners are really just in this for the Wrestlemania storyline quality and this guy isn’t entertaining anymore, he just has legal bullshit around him, he says the same catchphrases all the time, he’s looking older and more haggard than we’ve ever seen, and conservatives are super fixated on superficial appearances.
I don’t think we’re “safe” by any means, but I think a lot of people are going to fall off and it might make a large difference.
I wish you were right. I live in Trumpistan and this will only make people like him more. The only way we can stop this madness is actually have him in an actual jail. Even then I’m not so sure.
They can only vote once. At least until Trump wins because from then on we’ll have elections Russia-style.
matter to them? yeah of course
Im expecting another insurrection soon…
Maybe this time the government will send riot police instead of doormen
Does it matter if it matters to them? They are beyond the pale since years.
Some of them yes, some of them no.
I think this will only strengthen his core supporters because they’ll view him as a martyr. It might push away some people on the fence. But I think the martyrdom angle and the increased media spotlight could pull some people back in. Personally I think it probably won’t make a difference overall. All publicity is good publicity.
Martyrs gotta die
Not many, but perhaps enough to make a difference in the handful of swing states.
Nah. I could see this actually being a positive to his brain-dead supporters.
Nope, it’s just going to be more proof that he’s the guy to take on the ‘deep state’ and so on in their minds.
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That isn’t true though. Most convicted felons can’t vote, but they can run for office.
Except they can. Can’t vote depending on the crime and the state, but can totally hold office.
Pretty sure felons can’t vote in Florida.
It emboldens them because he already painted himself the victim, the outsider. He literally called it a witch hunt.
Holy crap… Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?
"Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?
“If he was convicted of murder, I’d be like that’s not a guy I want to go for!” "
Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.
Good now that he’s a convicted felon he can’t run for president just like you can’t vote, right? …right? Fuck this system.
I’ll personally donate $100 to the DNC (i’m poor leave me alone) if Hilary goes to every campaign stop chanting ‘lock him up’
