Imma start by prefacing that I like kbin way better so far.
But do you guys think they will continue to coexist long term or are we looking at an HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray scenario where only one will remain?
Just seems like they don’t play very nice. My lemmy community I created days ago still isn’t federating here. Furthermore it seems like kbin to lemmy federation is much slower and buggier than lemmy to lemmy and kbin to kbin federation.
Hard to sort by new bc sometimes lemmy posts are already off the first page by the time they federate. Sometimes stuff doesn’t federate at all. I’m almost to the point I feel like I need to have an account on each for browsing.
For the record I bought a HD-DVD player.
kbin is like a month old and has been slammed very recently by a large number of new signups. I think they were migrating to new servers over the past week and likely more improvements are on the way.
My favorite part of this is @ernest went to bed one night with his project safely there for friends and himself, and then bam! Tens of thousands signing up in no time. I’m so happy people with knowledge are helping him and I happily donated to the coffee fund.
When they figure out how they want donations to go, I’ll be a recurring donor.
I’m only on disability, so my funds are pretty limited, but I’ve donated about $20 to his coffee fund.
Oh I get it, and I wasn’t even blaming kbin, for all we know the issue is on lemmy’s side, they have an open github issue for non-lemmy federation. I’m just saying the ecosystem as is relies on two separately developed platforms maintaining interoperability with each other.
You can’t play Bluray discs in an HD-DVD player.
It’s more like DVD+R vs. DVD-R.
I was going to bring a similar analogy; the beauty of ActivityPub and these sites are that as long as they implement the standard in a similar way, they simply become different front-ends to view the same data. There isn’t a versus as much as which do you prefer? It’s going to be one of the great things about the Fediverse going forwards is the ability to create multiple ways of viewing the same data; each one will attract specific users and no longer will content be walled off between them.
Lego vs MegaBlox (you decide who is who)
They’re both compatible with eachother so the only functional differences are in brick aesthetics and which brand is on the box.
I liked kbin more, and I also bought an HD-DVD player.
Oh dear.
No, I don’t think it’s like HD-DVD vs Blue-Ray. You don’t have an industry which has to make the choice between one or the other and a larger industry that buys into one technology or the other for their content.
You have individual users making up their mind based on what software they like more and if they get enough out of what that software offers. If it were HD-DVD vs Bluray then the power would be in the end user’s control…but it never was. The more people decide to use a piece of software, the more developers you have developing for that software. The more devs you have the better it gets and the more people you get liking the software and using it. There is room for people choosing to use different pieces of software, and it’s made even easier by the fact that they interoperate due to federation.
I have both Bluray and HD-DVD. I have quite a few more Bluray than HD-DVD because of course that’s the way the industry went. I had both pretty early on because I knew there would be a time when the industry decided the winner and the loser would go on clearance sales. I picked up a bunch of my HD-DVD collection in those clearance sales. To that industry comparison, I do not have a lemmy account, nor do I want one.
In the end my entire Bluray, HD-DVD, and DVD collection is all digital and on my media server now, along with a lot of streaming stuff. Don’t really know how that’ll relate to this move in social media platforms.
Yes, they will continue to coexist for the foreseeable future. There’s a reason why people choose one or the other since they each have their pros and cons, and the fact that they do federate with each other (even if it can be buggy at times) means people will continue to be able to pick whichever one they prefer without having to lose out on most content from the other.
As for your experiences with federating, you do need to make sure federation is getting triggered. For instance, I created a magazine on kbin.social a few days ago but it was taking forever to show up on lemmy.world (I have accounts on both). I had to specifically search for the magazine URL in the lemmy.world community search before it triggered federating that magazine and created the mirrored community on lemmy. Once I did that, it showed up just fine. From what I’ve seen, federation of new communities/magazines doesn’t happen automatically. It only occurs if someone specifically searches for it by URL in the other software. Hopefully that’s a bug and will be fixed at some point.
Right, I even read that somewhere in a how to, that the federation of a magazine / community needs to be triggert by a specific search on the other platform.
Edit: P. S. : Blu-ray was boosted by having a free player included in each new game console from that company.
There’s no reason not to use both. I prefer Kbin but using a Lemmy instance with wefwef is pretty good too. I find myself alternating between the two.
I don’t care about all this newfangled stuff. My Betamax still works fine.
Pfft Betamax. Video 2000 ftw.
Laserdisc was objectively the best format until 4k blu-ray.
I haven’t notice more problems with kbin to Lemmy federation than with kbin to kbin federation. They both seem to be having problems. I also don’t think the hd-dvd and blue-ray comparison is an apt analogy. Maybe it’s more like xbox vs playstation. They’re platforms rather than technologies (Lemmy and kbin both use the same activity pub technology) and while there are exclusives to each system there’s so much overlap that it hardly matters which one you buy from a content point of view
I thought this was going to be a thread debating the merits of the two disc formats, and I’m disappointed that it’s not. :(
I know that particular format war didn’t last very long, but I wonder if there’s anything HD-DVD ended up doing better than Blu-Ray.
As for the actual topic of this thread, I’m not sure if it’s the right analogy. Blu-ray and HD-DVD were incompatible with one another, while Kbin and Lemmy are mostly compatible. I’m not entirely sure what to compare it to, maybe Linux vs. BSD?
