• Ronno@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    But of course. In the same way that you don’t make a test easier for the student that gets bullied.
    The criteria and rules to enter the EU have been created through decades of small changes, ensuring that every element in our norms and values is covered. Skipping some of these steps will only result in further misalignment in the future, causing friction. Look for example at Hungary. I am not sure if they took this train of thought/direction recently or if their stance towards the EU was always like this, but if it is the latter, then the EU failed to judge that in the joining process.

    My personal take on this is that the EU has already become too big. It used to be small at first, with countries that shared similar beliefs and culture. I think the EU today is way too polarized to be effective. Sure, it is now bigger on the world stage, making a larger fist for our policies. But has also become more difficult to draft policies, due to the cultural and economic differences of its members.

  • xNIBx@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I know it’s been 80 years since WW2 but it seems a lot of people have forgotten the main reason for the creation of EU. The EU was created in order is to avoid wars in Europe. It might sound ridiculous to many, but Europe used to have A LOT of wars in the past.

    Economic criteria, corruption, etc are all great metrics but in the end, it is about avoiding wars. And a Ukraine inside the EU means a safer EU, a safer Ukraine and even a safer Russia. Russia wont be able to go full retard and Ukraine would have to compromise and reach some peace agreement in order to join the EU.

    Inclusivity is very important for the EU. Reminder that even Russia could join the EU but a country like Russia, which sees itself as a super power, wouldnt want to be the 5th-6th most important member of the EU(in economic terms).

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk
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      1 year ago

      While you are correct. At least in what the predecessor to the EUs purpose was.

      It is also clear that stability of economic effect. It is an important part of encouraging nations to remain together. If a member joining will have a negative effect on the economic state of existing members. It dramatically increases the risk of the union collapsing. And finance etc was often the cause of those wars.

      While I definitely feel many older members outright cheated in how they hid their finances when joining. It seems the organization needs to rethink how it manages new membership. In a way that allows some form of provisional membership. Where a nation is able to join. In a way that does not allow them to place other members at fiscal risk. But allows them to work towards a goal. It seems the will to join the political union and idealism should some way out weigh the fiscal status.

      • xNIBx@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        After the war, Ukraine will be a country with tons of capable military men and many with ptsd. And they already have some nazi/fascist issues and significant corruption. They will need all the help they could find. And EU needs to be there to push them towards a more liberal and democratic direction.

        • Drusas@kbin.social
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          1 year ago

          Military men and women. I understand you almost certainly did not mean to leave out women, but we need to move past the times of only focusing on the impacts to and contributions of men. Ukrainian women are also on the front lines, risking their lives for their country.

          Also, I don’t see how having a large population with military experience and or PTSD directly relates to Nazism and corruption.

          • beeehawwww@beehaw.org
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            1 year ago

            They’re saying that those are all issues that the EU should help Ukraine address. I think I agree. High up front cost but great eventual ROI.