Kinda true in Europe though. Don’t know anyone who uses iMessage, it’s pretty much irrelevant. I know the situation in the US is quite different, but ultimately they don’t regulate for the US market.
It’s annoying as fuck when I message my wife a video of our kids, it looks like dog shit on her iPhone. I have to instead send it on Whatsapp or signal. I hate apple
That’s because you’re using SMS, that’s not the fault of the messaging app. Using a third party messaging app is the correct way to go, it’s encrypted, supports group chats, and bigger messages.
So does iMessage, to be fair. The problem is that Apple decided not build clients for alternative platforms, but the app itself is quite competent.
Hopefully Apple can convince the telco people to implement E2EE in RCS (though good luck getting that through with wiretap laws all around the world, lol) so there’s some kind of cross-platform standard here. Apple is going to implement RCS to save Americans from blurry videos at the very least, but it won’t add Google’s proprietary encryption standard.
RCS is controlled by GSMA, not Google. I’m sure they’ll welcome Google’s extensions, but Google doesn’t get to decide.
Google can try to do the same thing they did to XMPP, but then they get the same “Androids don’t receive our pictures” problem that’s driving teenagers to buy iOS in the USA in the first place.
Specification may be not controlled by Google, but the single available client implementation is controlled by Google and almost all carriers are delegating managing their RCS servers to Google.
While XMPP or Matrix server you can host even on your LAN network between two computers.
With Apple controlling the majority of the lucrative American teenage user base (after all, if all you’ve ever used is iPhone, you’ll probably stick to iPhone in the future; this is what Adobe did, what Microsoft did, and what Google came in to take over, and both succeeded) and an ever growing percentage elsewhere, Apple implementing RCS would immediately sway control over the protocol back the other way.
My phone doesn’t come with XMPP or Matrix preinstalled. If I’m going to be talking to people, it’ll be through an app they already have (WhatsApp, in my case, maybe Telegram or Signal) or we’ll fall back to SMS if I barely have any signal. In a group of 30 tech enthusiasts, I’ve seen proposals to switch to Matrix succeed in convincing 5 of them to install a new app. With how inferior XMPP and Matrix apps still are today, I don’t think I’ll have much better luck with normal people.
I want either Matrix or XMPP to succeed, but at the way things are progressing, I just don’t see it happening.
I don’t think it’s ever happened to me that anyone told me that it was inconvenient for them that I didn’t have iMessage, compared to pretty much weekly exclamations of “But why can’t you just use WhatsApp like everyone else!?”
Apple would still feel pressure to add interoperability if all other big players do. iMessage would have a competitive disadvantage if it’s the only one where users are unable to message the rest of the world.
Yes. Still, it would be harder to not give a f if others walled gardens open up, and iMessage get disadvantaged by that wall.
It’s as if iPhones were only able to make calls to other iPhones. Whereas all other devices where able to make calls to any device from any other vendor.
I’ve read somewhere that iMessage wasn’t considered “big enough” to be considerate a monopoly. Which is bullshit if you ask me.
To be fair here in Europe I know no one who uses iMessage.
Kinda true in Europe though. Don’t know anyone who uses iMessage, it’s pretty much irrelevant. I know the situation in the US is quite different, but ultimately they don’t regulate for the US market.
It’s very popular here in 'merica, the land of the zombies.
Its only big in the US, most of the planet only sees iMessage as that borderline useless app Apple bundles in their phones.
It’s annoying as fuck when I message my wife a video of our kids, it looks like dog shit on her iPhone. I have to instead send it on Whatsapp or signal. I hate apple
That’s because you’re using SMS, that’s not the fault of the messaging app. Using a third party messaging app is the correct way to go, it’s encrypted, supports group chats, and bigger messages.
So does iMessage, to be fair. The problem is that Apple decided not build clients for alternative platforms, but the app itself is quite competent.
Hopefully Apple can convince the telco people to implement E2EE in RCS (though good luck getting that through with wiretap laws all around the world, lol) so there’s some kind of cross-platform standard here. Apple is going to implement RCS to save Americans from blurry videos at the very least, but it won’t add Google’s proprietary encryption standard.
Hopefully not RCS, but maybe Matrix or the Signal protocol, as RCS is entirely controlled by Google and there aren’t any FOSS clients.
RCS is controlled by GSMA, not Google. I’m sure they’ll welcome Google’s extensions, but Google doesn’t get to decide.
Google can try to do the same thing they did to XMPP, but then they get the same “Androids don’t receive our pictures” problem that’s driving teenagers to buy iOS in the USA in the first place.
Specification may be not controlled by Google, but the single available client implementation is controlled by Google and almost all carriers are delegating managing their RCS servers to Google.
While XMPP or Matrix server you can host even on your LAN network between two computers.
With Apple controlling the majority of the lucrative American teenage user base (after all, if all you’ve ever used is iPhone, you’ll probably stick to iPhone in the future; this is what Adobe did, what Microsoft did, and what Google came in to take over, and both succeeded) and an ever growing percentage elsewhere, Apple implementing RCS would immediately sway control over the protocol back the other way.
My phone doesn’t come with XMPP or Matrix preinstalled. If I’m going to be talking to people, it’ll be through an app they already have (WhatsApp, in my case, maybe Telegram or Signal) or we’ll fall back to SMS if I barely have any signal. In a group of 30 tech enthusiasts, I’ve seen proposals to switch to Matrix succeed in convincing 5 of them to install a new app. With how inferior XMPP and Matrix apps still are today, I don’t think I’ll have much better luck with normal people.
I want either Matrix or XMPP to succeed, but at the way things are progressing, I just don’t see it happening.
Oh I’m well aware of that, I’m just complaining 😂
I don’t think it’s ever happened to me that anyone told me that it was inconvenient for them that I didn’t have iMessage, compared to pretty much weekly exclamations of “But why can’t you just use WhatsApp like everyone else!?”
@aberrate_junior_beatnik @penquin I found a nice page with statistics about the different messengers: engage.sinch.com/blog/most-pop…
It seems that only in the US more people are using iMessage than WhatsApp.
Apple would still feel pressure to add interoperability if all other big players do. iMessage would have a competitive disadvantage if it’s the only one where users are unable to message the rest of the world.
Have you met Apple and their walled garden of “IDGAF”?
Yes. Still, it would be harder to not give a f if others walled gardens open up, and iMessage get disadvantaged by that wall.
It’s as if iPhones were only able to make calls to other iPhones. Whereas all other devices where able to make calls to any device from any other vendor.
Don’t give them ideas!