Let the US lock itself from the world, that should work.
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You actually believe this? Two words: Belt and Road.
Soon you’ll find out that the West is not the world and it is the one isolating itself.
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You are thinking of the infrastructure in your country.
What cope-based media are you getting this from?
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Your imperial core chauvanism is showing. It is the Global North which is isolating itself.
China is deeply integrated with the Global South, which is the majority of the the world’s people, industrial capacity, and natural resources.
The Statesman: The West versus the Rest
Geopolitical Economy Report: ‘Western dominance has ended’, EU foreign-policy chief admits, warning of ‘West against the Rest’ geopolitics
Best possible thing that could happen going forward.
Obviously the whole security threat thing is just BS to justify restricting trade. You’re really not allowed to restrict trade under wto rules unless it’s a national security concern. It makes sense that the US would want to protect its industry but, it’s really infuriating that the US, the country that thrust neoliberalism free trade policies down developing countries throats, sometimes by force, now wants to do protectionism. Many developing economies growth was hampered and their economic ability to met their own needs to spiked into the ground by American coercion and sometimes violence. It further goes to show that the powerful countries really just do whatever the fuck they want often at the detriment of weaker nations.
They did the same to Huawei and lots followed. This has nothing to do with security and all to do with preventing China’s leap ahead of US as a global economic technology powerhouse
It does have something to do with security.
For Huawei, the USA was concerned that China could build in backdoors to its communication technology similar to how the USA probably does with its local technology.
For EV, it is becoming apparent that battery and microchip technology has the same wartime industry power that oil and steel has, so the USA doesn’t want to completely give up on those industries.
Everything has something to do with security if you’re paranoid/creative enough. It’s a useless thought.
For Huawei , if that’s the case why did US not target all Chinese manufacturers and only the one that, at the time, was becoming the most technologically competitive one.
As for EV the argument regarding takeover as a wartime industry whilst maybe true not it still smacks of US protectionist practice rather than a genuine security fear.
This is something that bothers me. I see EVs as future and a next step in car evolution, but why all of them have to be connected? Why most people don’t have problem with it? I’m not talking about Chinese cars, but all of them.
20 years ago if you would say a car could be hacked one would laugh and say that this only happens in sci-fi movies, now this is a reality. And that’s not the only threat, there’s a huge implication with privacy. Why people are so not caring about it?
Because it is easy.
That is it. It is easy and cheap to make cars connected because of abysmal lack of regulation and the massive IoT chip industry
Integrating wireless radios into products is standard by now and chips required to do anything but 5g are extremely cheap. GPS is also dirt cheap. The biggest costs by far are design hours and certification.
Then they can make money because of the software “features” that only take man hours to develop as well as sell your tracking days after the fact. Together with the fact that if the market says that most people want those convenience features and couldn’t care less about their valuable data as we have seen through every tech industry, there is little reason NOT to put in those features, especially when it enables OTA car firmware updates also.
The people that do care the most have a choice to use older cars and that reduces resistance now.
I think it’s simply that there’s not much we can do about it
How many people use smart devices? On the door, tv, Alexia? People “want” to be hacked.
So true, it’s either buy a car which steals all of your data or don’t buy a car at all. Which isn’t really a choice for most of us
We’re in the middle of a technological cold war.
- Toshiba
- Alstom
- Huawei
Bullshit States of Amerigoo finding ways to relabel racist protectionist agendas…
Industry competition: a threat
Deteriorating mental condition of leadership:
not a threatwhat was I talking about again?This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Biden took steps on Thursday toward blocking internet-connected Chinese cars and trucks from entry to the American auto market, including electric vehicles, saying they posed risks to national security because their operating systems could send sensitive information to Beijing.
China has rapidly scaled up its production of electric vehicles in recent years, setting it on a collision course with Mr. Biden’s industrial policy efforts that seek to help American automakers dominate that market at home and abroad.
Administration officials are eyeing other steps to further impede imports of Chinese vehicles, which have already surged through European markets, as a result of low prices driven in part by significantly lower labor costs.
The Treasury Department has already proposed rules meant to limit China’s ability to supply materials for cars and trucks that qualify for a $7,500 electric vehicle tax credit included in Mr. Biden’s signature climate bill.
The Commerce Department investigation announced on Thursday grew from a series of conversations that administration officials had with automakers last fall, after the settlement of a United Automobile Workers strike during which Mr. Biden stood with the union and joined a picket line.
Biden aides began to grow concerned about what might happen if the United States did not impose similar restrictions on Chinese software, which administration officials say only a handful of cars in America run on today.
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5G, garlic, cars…
I know this may seem like an unusual concept to capitalist America, but having more competitors drives down prices.
Low prices aren’t always a good thing. Especially for the working class when those low prices are on imported goods that replace the products these workers used to make. I thought we already learned that neoliberal policies aren’t so hot for workers.
No one has learned anything. The people who knew outsourcing was anti-worker were proven correct, but it didn’t matter.
Tesla is also a security risk like all others
You see, Teslas are controllable by CIA while Chinese cars are not
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What do you imagine China is going to do to you from the other side of the world? Feed you targeted ads? Attack you with Havana Syndrome or turn you into a Manchurian Candidate via 5G?
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Sounds like a good thing for rest of the world.
The thing that benefits China and only China is good for the rest of the world?
I disagree but ok
China increases PPP of every single country in the world. And it does not commit genocides or invent wars overseas. It does not even matter if it is direct or not, but them ensuring “Century of Humiliation” against 8 Nation Alliance powers is revenged benefits every single country colonised by Britain.
Also unironically your country should be rendered so incapable you people need to take loans from Uganda and get colonised by them. Almost no American is worth supporting or sympathising with at this point.
Nah, I wouldn’t trust them either.
I think people are misunderstanding my comment. I don’t trust either, but I’m worried about one more than the other given national interests and where I live.
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It seems like the “cars tracking you” problem is a very real and very serious thing that should obviously be legislated separately of electric vehicles or country of manufacture.
I got a Mazda recently, and I was reading all the ownership paperwork, and the guy asked me what I was looking for. I said “I’m looking for the language about what data Mazda is collecting about me.” And the guy laughed and said there’s nothing in the paperwork about that. They just do it. You can’t shut it off.
Question: Who is paying for all these 5G Cell connections that ‘every car has’? How is my data getting from my car in my garage to (Brand name)?
I sure as shit am not giving my car my wifi password.
Is my Android phoning home? How does it know who to phone home to?
Car manufacturers are. They probably get a bulk discount on relatively cheap data plans. It was enough for GM to keep OnStar running until Verizon got rid of supporting all 2G and 3G service in the USA.
Do we know how long they are paying for that connection?
I can’t imagine that’s cheap. Is a 2016 car internet connected without my notice? How do you confirm?
No, but the Wikipedia article seems to indicate that OnStar has the ability to store GPS and phone contact information even if you aren’t subscribed.
Also, I can’t imagine that buying several millions of data connections would be that expensive, especially if all that those connections are doing are sending out a ping of reports once a month.
So now I’m wondering what happens with new (or connected used) cars sold in California. Does CCPA have any teeth here?
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“We need to reduce carbon emissions!”
“No not like that!”
Haha. It’s just silly. I know nothing about the actual story.
Ah yes, because electric vehicles collect so much more data than your standard vehicles, they essentially are the same thing just different engine. Ever look at the data OnStar collects even apperently without an account? Ever look at the privacy policy the infotainment system has you agree to once or twice a month? it’s scary.
how about just pass legislation that a foreign country cannot collect data on a vehicle in the US if we are that scared of it
Yeah fair I am sure there is almost as much sketchy shit in Chinese electric cars as American ones, I just can’t find the fucks to care compared to the threat of ecological and agricultural collapse from climate change.
Like seriously I know it’s more satisfying and intriguing to talk security, technology, software and geopolitics but really who gives a fuck. Literally none of this even remotely matters next to the existential emergency that is climate change.
So sure, cheap Chinese electric cars lets go who cares honestly, we don’t have the damn time to focus on making this into a Cold War Tom Clancy novel before we run out of shit like clean water to drink.
If you care about climate change, then you would be anti-car period. Biden is 100% correct here (but not for the reasons he thinks,) cars are a security threat.
and if you were a true Scotsman you would be wearing a kilt and not those PANTS
