Basically just the title. With DVDs getting tossed to the wind it made me wonder when will blu-rays go? I’m gonna miss bloopers and extra scenes
Edit: A bit confused but the general consensus is that in some areas BRs have already began to be phased out while in others they’re just trucking along perfectly fine. It’ll be that way until they stop being profitable to the studios who make them. Is that correct? I don’t think the 8k argument is valid imo since that’s really niche currently.
I foresee them making a comeback as more and more people realize that streaming services are terrible.
Media-bound formats are even more terrible though. File-based ones are much superior for longevity.
Agree that video files burned on blu ray would be ideal :D
Jokes aside: physical, unchangeable media do make sense imo.
Apart from the “advantage” for the vendor in copy protection, where do physical, unchangeable media make sense? Particularly in terms of long-term use of the data on there. That basically ties the lifetime of the data to the lifetime of the physical object and also prevents backups.
I‘m not sure I understand you correctly. Unchangeable media has several upsides:
- no virus or person without physical access can corrupt or destroy the data
- even if inserted, nothing can change it
- physical media can still be copied and backed up by any and all other means
I do accept that without programs to bypass copy protection, commercial movie discs are kind of a problem. Still, I dont see a problem of using burned discs as a long term storage device.
Okay, we might have been talking about different things. I am basically saying formats like video DVD, BluRay,… have no advantage over the same medium with a file on there that you can easily copy to a new one if necessary. Linking the format of the content to the medium itself is a bad idea.
Yes. I fully agree and I meant storing files on blu ray disks but I probably failed to say so directly.
But the people who release BRs are either the same people selling streaming subscriptions, or will be bought up by them. For example, Disney is no longer releasing BRs anymore.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate’s life for me.
Unless I can buy a BluRay, I’m not paying for a movie.
Cable TV definitely phased out until streaming came alone.
What can be better than streaming for the general public? Most will just subscribe to every service anyway.
As piracy becomes easier, I’d imagine piracy will be the best option for the general public. At least until streaming services offer a better alternative.
The most realistic answer is - as long as movie studios deem it to be profitable to continue releasing them. I think there will always be niche companies like Criterion that will release physical media. I mean, vinyl LPs are still being produced to this day, so really it’s all about demand.
Personally, I am surprised that DVD format has lasted as long as it has, in regards to current technology. The majority of TVs available today are 4K, to which 4K UHD Blu-rays match the native resolution. 4K UHD is 4x the resolution of a standard Blu-ray(1080p), which are over 4x the resolution of DVDs (480p). So, they are really quite outdated/obsolete unless you still have an older 1080p or 720p TV and have a good player with upscaling.
So DVD 1080 torrents are upscaled? I didn’t realize DVDs were so low resolution.
NTSC formatted DVD is 720x480
PAL formatted DVD is 720x576
It blows my mind that the 28 year old DVD format (720x480 resolution) is still being sold and consumed. I can walk into my local Walmart today and at least 40% of disks including brand new movies are on DVD. They look noticeably worse on even HD TVs (1920x1080) and no amount of fancy upscaling is going to make them look good on modern 4K UHD TVs (3840x2160).
Yup. They’re ancient tech. Basically two cds stacked on top of each other.
I still remain unconvinced that 4k is really all that hot though. I prefer projecting onto my living room wall and anything above 1080 is pretty much imperceptibly different at a distance… Most families have a similar distance setup and 4k isn’t anything but a label at that distance.
Large 4k monitors that you’re going to sit right in front of can definitely be appreciated but for movies I think 4k is already over the retina density.
Try making a Microsoft Paint image with a single pixel wide line, and then offset it by one pixel halfway through. Then put that up and see how far back you need to sit to see the break merge into a single line.
There’s also some interesting tricks that emulator writers are working on for using those extra pixels to make more CRT-like effects on modern displays.
You just haven’t seen a great 4k Samsung tv with a movie on 4k Blu-ray that was actually native 4k and not upscaled. If you did you wouldn’t be saying this right now. https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/
Ehh… as someone that has seen it, it’s still not that big a deal. Sure, in still frames the difference is really noticeable, but when you’re actually immersed in the movie and the action and you’re not just scanning the scene with picture quality in mind, it really makes no difference to me.
DVD is “good enough” for a lot of people.
Especially when you factor in the distance/screen size ratios that the average house uses (and that not everyone is watching with perfect vision).
Also, good quality SD content, shot on good lenses, still looks pretty damned good. Sure, you’re not going to get the same level of fine detail.
My Name Is Earl is a good example of this.
I’m eagerly awaiting the demise of Blu-Ray so I can finally get use of my HD-DVD player.
Nah, HD-VMD is gonna make a big comeback I tell ya
How about those Universal Media Discs (UMDs) used on everything from the PlayStation Portable to the PlayStation Portable
They were a very portable way to play PlayStation
Nah, you haven’t experienced shrek until you’ve seen it the way it was intended: on the GBA.
They are coming back like vinyl. Zoomers are realizing streaming plarforms can pull the plug
It occurs to me that I could totally put a short movie on a vinyl record. It would display “buffering” for quite a while though.
The concept of vinyl still blows my mind… The fact that you can recreate every possible combination of sounds and etch it in grooves on a thin piece of plastic, then you can drag a needle across those grooves to hear the sound combinations again…
How does a person even create something like that? It’s mind blowing.
Vinyl does have significant limitations in what sound it can produce, especially in terms of dynamic range. Wikipedia has a good breakdown of analog vs digital recording.
While digital is not perfect, it’s generally better in every regard that humans can physically perceive. That said, people will always romanticize physical things of the past, be it confirmation bias, survivorship bias of good examples, or just enjoying the ritual of physical interacting with a thing.
Well sure… But I can still speak a sentence nobody has ever uttered into a recording device, press that into tiny grooves on a plastic disc, and then play back a pretty damn faithful reproduction of the thing I said.
You seem to think that I was supporting a return to vinyl or something, but I did no such thing. I’m well aware that the technology has gotten better by orders of magnitude.
I understand there’s obviously limitations, but just the basic concept is mind blowing to me.
I think it was done with wax cylinders first, somewhat earlier! So at least for vinyl, there was strong technological precedent.
In the early days, it was quite a simple device! Sort of a cone to focus sound waves, with a membrane at the end attached to an engraver that carves wax. I bet it was quite hard to make those mechanical systems reliable, but I can sort of see how someone goes from “sound is a pressure wave in air” to that device!
There was the Japanese VHD (Video High Density) that was kind of that. https://youtu.be/fCWLaAwr3sM
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Theoretically you could get it with little to no buffering by writing an analog TV signal to the disk, no?
And just like that, you’ve invented laserdisc.
Reinvent the wheel? No, it’s time to reinvent outdated media formats!
Hey, the tape drive never even went out of style!
Sure – but at what resolution (analog signals have resolution too)? At what framerate? A vinyl should hold about 440MB of data (both sides, normal vinyl), with a read speed of 167 kilobytes per second.
So actually… that’s less bad than I thought! You could probably get 240p video or better!
From where I sit physical media is experiencing a huge surge in popularity. So I think bluray is here to stay, and will see more usage in the coming years.
They are hardly anywhere now… Best Buy is phasing out their remaining physical movie sections this year.
That makes sense, to be fair. Movie catalogs are more of a “long tail” product. It’s not economical to stock 1000s of titles in 100s of locations, but it’s a crappy shopping experience if they only have a few titles. So, even those who do still buy physical media won’t frequent Best Buy for them.
You just made me notice that my laptop doesn’t even have a DVD.
It’s why god invented external drives. :)
I’m going to assume you understand the most basic principals of our mode of production, so I’ll give you an educated guess as to when, not why, since that’s the question you asked.
In 2034, if we follow the DVD timeline. However if it’s the only remaining physical media used by distributors, I’d guess it lasts decades longer.
I hope we graduate (or revert, depending on how you look at it) to tape, as collectors would be better off with a medium that’s built to last.
Why do you say Blu ray isn’t made to last compared to tape? I would think it was the reverse
Oh, you’re right. I looked it up and some of these archival blu-rays are claiming they can outlast tape, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC
Now I’m going to have to look at what an M-DISC burner would cost and compare it to my aws glacier bill.
Oh D-VHS, we didn’t deserve you.
Yesterday I was happy to own lots of Blurays because my internet was down.
Well, there’s the ultra-hd bluray that seems to be trucking along fine, and regular bluray is still chugging along well enough for studios to be releasing them.
But, they’ll get phased out either right beetle before they start failing to make profit, and/or when the various entities of the movie industry figure out a way to force people into their streaming services. Now, I don’t see them making laws happen that require us to subscribe, but it is possible that they could manage to shut down enough alternatives that a majority of people that are convinced they need access to shows and movies to get through life that there’s no other way. At which point, the final nail would be eradicating new physical media.
But, as long as they can make profit from both physical and streamed media, they’ll keep milking them both.
Not until there’s an 8K standard and 8K players.
The problem is that the market isn’t there to phase them out. Streaming and digital purchases have filled in most of the consumer demand that physical media would. There may not be the market for a Blu-ray replacement the same way there was for DvD.
There is also the question of whether optical media would be the preferred medium. An SD Card may be preferred over an optical drive, especially as it is more space efficient in a lot of different types of devices.
It’s well on its way there already. Many large stores are already choosing not to sell them (Best Buy, you suck). I will always purchase the Blu-Rays though as long as I can. I would never trust my movie collection to the studios or streaming services.
Which blu rays?
Is it even possible to stream 8k video now?
I’ve only seen 4K REMUX streaming as the top quality option, but there’s no reason why 8K streaming would be impossible. You could even set it up privately with Jellyfin.
Disney has already killed theirs off in Australia. But at the same time most of their stuff is rubbish so I guess I’m not missing out on anything
