Homes, a maternity hospital, a shopping center, and a metro station were hit as part of the attacks. The attack may have been linked to the destruction of a Russian landing ship in Crimea.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    6 months ago

    Seems like they should really be negotiating a ceasefire and not dragging this out since even the US is ready to drop support for them and switch focus to full support for the genocide in Palestine.

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      Come on, let’s not deflect from whose to blame here. Russia is sending missiles where missiles don’t belong. When Russian missiles kill Ukrainian babies in a maternity hospital, that’s Russia’s fault. They knew full well what they were doing.

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        This war could have been over months ago or never even started if it weren’t for NATO encroachment and sabotaging peace talks. I’m not defending Russia here I am pointing out reality.

        All this is because the west would not let eastern Ukraine exercise any self determination after couping the government in 2014.

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          So here’s the problem with peace talks. What would Russia agree to? They currently occupy a massive chunk of pre-2014 Ukraine, something like a quarter of the country. If Ukraine agrees to that, it sends a signal to the Russian government that invading Ukraine pays. Russia already made a go at installing a puppet government in the initial 2022 invasion. Why should Ukraine trust it not to take the time following a peace agreement to regroup and invade again? And besides that, Ukraine’s never going to easily give up that much territory. Imagine that happening to your own country.

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            None of you NAFOs ever stop to consider the right of self-determination that belongs to the people who live in the eastern provinces.

            It’s pretty clear that the people of Donbas, Crimea, etc, do not want to be ruled by this Ukrainian government.

            A sustainable peace deal would be Ukraine agreeing to not cooperate or be supplied by NATO, agreeing to respect the rights of ethnic minorities, and giving up the provinces that do not want to be part of Ukraine.

            Why is it worth sending tens or hundreds of thousands more to their deaths over that?

            It’s an extremely reasonable peace and this is what they turned down at the start of the war when Boris Johnson derailed the initial peace effort. If the west wasn’t so war-thirsty then this war would have been over in a week, or wouldn’t have happened at all so cut out the pointless rhetoric about “we need to teach Putler a lesson” because you’re being blind to some basic facts about how this war could have and was attempted to be prevented when you recite that mantra.

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              It’s pretty clear that the people of Donbas, Crimea, etc, do not want to be ruled by this Ukrainian government

              Maybe if you listen to Russian propaganda only. I have both Russian and Ukrainian family and it really isn’t that simple.

              Your “peace” would be stripping any self determination of a sovereign country to appease the imperialist nuclear power on their border. Even after they have shown not to be trustworthy.

              Ukraine might as well just surrender the entirety of their country instead of being a foreign ruled satellite state like Belarus.

              Slava Ukraini

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    Every time this happens, Ukraine should counter strike Moscow and St.Petersburg in exactly the same manner.

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      Murdering civilians is what Russia does. Ukraine achieves nothing by doing the same, yet will have plenty to lose by doing so. Why are you suggesting Ukraine stoop down to their level, which will likely result in the loss of support from its allies and legitimize Putin’s warmongering?

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          Not at all. If anything it would just create more support in Russia. You think Putin would care about a few civilians?

          Hitting economic hot spots such as gas or military bases is way more effective

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            The war really can’t have more support than it current does in Russia. Pretty much the whole country is actively or passively supporting it. So this theory has already been soundly debunked. The Russian people care only about their own situation, and until they feel the results of this war, there will be no real opposition. Support can’t go up from here, but with some help it can go down.

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          … Do you honestly, sincerely believe that Putin cares if his people die? After everything he’s done to show otherwise?

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            Putin certainly doesn’t care, but the people do. Until this war comes home to them, they have no incentive to do anything about it. As you say, Putin will be there forever conducting war until the people stop him. Or until Ukraine can take Moscow. But the west won’t allow that.

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              If Ukraine starts bombing them then they sure will have an incentive to do something.

              Namely fight against Ukraine

              When you bomb someone they blame the people bombing them.

              Just ask Netanyahu how well he is getting rid of Hamas by bombing childrens hospitals. Hint: there is more Hamas now.