• Paragone@lemmy.ml
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    Don’t put-up with Israel’s gaslighting.

    I used to support Israel.

    As an Englishman, whose identity I don’t remember pointed-out, years ago:

    IF the Jews of the region have a moral-right to their own homeland, THEN so do the Palestinians.

    EITHER BOTH OR NEITHER-DO.

    Once someone has proven they are only narcissistic-machiavellian-sociopath/psychopath, through their nihilistic obliteration of other’s lives, and much more, and throught their sadism,

    they have ZERO claim on God, on “scripture”, or on “validity” or on Truth.

    The old rabbis ( find some interviewed on youtube! ) who call-out Israel & I stand together in contempting their lies.

    KNOW gaslighters for what they are, & deal-with-them as such.

    Rabies is rabies.

    IF the patient can be got sane/healthy, then help 'em do that, but if not…

    then don’t let 'em infect you with their rabies.

    ( & that goes also for Hamas’s terror-strike, too: both sides have crossed the line into worshipping nihilism/mass-murder, while claiming God, sadly )


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      It’s hard to accept that Israel has the same kind of right to it as Palestinians.

      Every displaced Palestinian has a home address they were forced out of, and had his home stolen by someone who felt that being Jewish gave them a right to be present in the land (sure) but also to a particular parcel of land that already belonged to particular individuals.

      Zionists will tell you that most of the land was acquired legitimately. That’s an exaggeration, but some certainly was. Enough of it was outright stolen to make hundreds of thousands of refugees. I’m a one stater; there is enough room for all in the region. To the Zionist, it isn’t about a right to be there. It’s about the supposed right to dominate the land through demographic control - i.e. ethnic cleansing.

  • Veraxus@kbin.social
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    I am getting really tired of these right-wing dictatorships trying to play the “discrimination” card whenever their governments are criticized for their heinous actions.

  • rxbudian@lemmy.ca
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    The closer term is Anti-Zionist.
    Anti-Zionism is against the formation of Israel.
    Anti-Semitism is hostile against Jews.
    Israel has been successfully equating Zionism with Semitism for so long that very few use the term anti-zionism and people can call each other racist and silence others who’s arguing about Israel.

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      They know what they’re doing. They’ve been deliberately equating the two in order to shut down any criticism of Israel.

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    Who cares? The very existance of Isreal is anti-semetic. The colonizers tricked way too many of the world’s Jews into making themselves targets, as if hoping to one-up the holocaust.

    I’m sure there are plenty of other words for hating on Jews outside of Israel once anti-semetism is forced to mean hating-Israel-and-not-even-individual-citizens-of-just-their-government-and-its-supporters.

    Here’s hoping the majority of Israeli’s, who DON’T support this bullshit, manage to oust Natenyahu-and-friends, and move towards un-fucking the situation while there is still something more to “the holy land” than bunkers and grave-yards.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    This shit is really dangerous too, because the blowback weakens actual anti-Semitism accusations and strengthens actual anti-Semitic groups.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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      Come on, Israel is itself already almost anti-Semitic. They have that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation, and actual history and culture and language of really existing Jewish communities and groups they care about only when that serves that goal. If those communities and groups are underrepresented in Israel itself - may even be hostility.

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        that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation

        The what? EDIT Oh you mean like, the way they sort of imposed their own European-Hebrew onto local Semitic people.

        Also, I know Israel is certainly racist, with mostly white faces in high places. Their colorismo is basically the same as Latin America - in fact there’s a very interesting history of technological and cultural exchange between racist Latin American dictatorships and the Israeli state.

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          Well, you know, the resurrection of the Hebrew language after a couple centuries (EDIT: late to fix it, I meant millennia, but was frankly already drunk to notice) it was dead.

          There were and are neo-Aramaic (language closest to Hebrew, only it never died) speaking Jews in the world and in Israel, but making that the official language wasn’t sufficiently epic and those were, as you correctly pointed out, brown people for Zionist leaders back then.

          They love Masada story so much (its defenders spoke Aramaic), openly do that re-Judaification of Jerusalem etc.

          I mean, I don’t understand why you’re surprised.

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            More than a couple centuries - but dead isn’t quite right. While it wasn’t spoken in most Jewish enclaves, it was still used in all religion and quite a lot of commerce and literature. Most practicing Jews knew Hebrew, even if they did not use it in daily life. Jews from different countries often used Hebrew to communicate - mostly in writing because it was the common language they would both know.

            Books have been published in Hebrew more or less continuously, including the first printing press in in the Middle East (now in what is Israel) in 1577 printed books in Hebrew.

            Hebrew has never been dead - it just wasn’t used because most Jews lived in countries that spoke other languages that Jews learned and often created pidgin dialects like Yiddish (and others).

            It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew, but if you put a German Jew and a Russian Jew in the same room, the only language they would both know is Hebrew.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language

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              I’m aware of that all, also yes it has been dead. Like Latin or Ancient Greek.

              It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew, but if you put a German Jew and a Russian Jew in the same room, the only language they would both know is Hebrew.

              Yeah, if you put a German Jew and a Moroccan Jew, your results could have been not the same.

              Still analogous to Latin, though. Like if you compare Latin in Italy to Latin in Poland.

              pidgin dialects like Yiddish (and others).

              Yiddish is definitely not a pidgin, it’s a pretty functional Germanic language, and not too much further from Standard High German than German casually spoken in Vienna.

              Actually it’s much less of a pidgin to German than neo-Hebrew is a pidgin to Hebrew.

              It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew

              There were competing views of the future of European Jews as a culture and what modernity will be for them. For some the modern language to be standardized etc would be, again, Yiddish.