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    I’m not voting for this man a second time. No more harm reduction. I’m not degrading myself by voting for a genocide enabler.

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      You getting downvoted for refusing to vote for Biden for a very valid reason is proof of how broken our two-party system is. This is why every state needs to pass ranked-choice voting. Maine did it and proved it could be done, and now they get to vote for who they actually /want/ without having their vote “spoiled”.

      Everyone in the US should be working to get ranked-choice voting in their state.

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          Throwing trans, gays, women, poor people, minorities etc. under the bus because Biden who has called for a ceasefire in Gaza isn’t doing enough.

          Not voting because the democrat isn’t left enough for you is an extremely privileged outlook to have.

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            Biden has not called for a ceasefire. He has called for a humanitarian pause until they can get hostages and foreign nationals out, so they can resume bombing. I’ll continue using my vote as my voice. You are free to do whatever you want.

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              Wait, that’s literally a cease fire though? He’s not calling for a peace agreement or truce. He’s calling for a temporary cessation of hostilities.

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            This exact attitude is how we got where we are. Don’t vote for policies you don’t believe in. There are other candidates, win or lose, vote for one that represents you.

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              This isn’t how we got here. The people that don’t vote tend to be left leaning. Republicans do vote, in mass. I fail to see how thinking not voting/voting third party is how we got here.

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      Wee! We get full harm because you only want perfection at all times with no effort at all! Woohoo!

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        My effort is contributing to my community and the less fortunate. You think me bubbling in a check mark for someone who is giving the thumbs up for an ethnic cleansing and genocide is putting in work? Go outside.

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          I really hope your 2016 vote went to an independent, then. I’m having a hard time seeing how Trump would ever do either of those things. Granted, he might thumbs-up an ethnic cleansing if it meant remaining in power.

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              “Things aren’t going how I like when I vote, so now i will encourage everyone to not vote to improve the chances that things will change the way I want them to”

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                  I let perfect be the enemy of good.

                  I’m doing my part, for the Republicans!

                  People are always ready with some morality test but the cold hard truth is trying to enforce your absolutes on others is not going to work out. It just backs you into a corner supporting a turd sandwich. Compromises suck though. Can’t have that. You do you.

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                    What good dude? We murder civilians in multiple countries every year regardless of who’s in power. Trump and Obama both indiscriminately murdered civilians with drone strikes, Biden expanded police funding more than any president before him. Hilary Clinton bragged and laughed about overthrowing a democratically elected government. Nearly all Dems and republicans voted in favor of expanding the military budget by billions of dollars even though we just ended a fucking war. We’re definitively the most evil country that has existed on this planet since at least the Dawn of the modern nation-state, and more blood is on the hands of Americans than any other nation on earth.

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                    Harm reduction stops working as an argument when it is facilitating genocide.

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              Go back to Reddit if you want pats on the back for not voting or voting for someone that wants to strip human rights.

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                I’ve always found it strange how people gatekeep internet culture. Especially when it’s meaningless in the face of a genocide. I don’t care about this perfect utopia you expected the fediverse to be. I will be firmly against genocide and will say it wherever I see fit.

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                  It’s more that you talk like nobody else is against genocide. Nobody here wants genocide. Your “solution” is just a nothing burger. The reality is every government is pretty fucked up, some more than others. There’s no way to change the whole world order, so you try make it as less shit for as many people as possible, not just throw your hands up and say “I’m done with voting”.

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                    I’m done with lesser evil voting. Pout all you want, but if I don’t believe in the person I’m not voting for them. End of story. Have a nice day.

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      Spoiler alert: This would have most likely happened regardless of the D or R next to the president’s name on the ballot.

      There’s two reasons I could see the US supporting Israel regardless of who’s in charge: the logical one because it has historical precedent is that the US wants Israel as a buffer for Russia due to it’s strategic location in the Middle-East, and the other reason is more conspiracy theory but I wouldn’t be surprised if the US can somehow get access to Palestine’s oil if Israel beats the shit out of the Hamas.

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        Or third, Israel has invested a lot in American politics after Eisenhower used American economic power against Israeli allies in the Suez Crisis, seeing that it needed to be on good terms with at least one super power and the USA seemed like the more natural fit. This includes going as far as supporting any primary challenger that pledges Israeli support.

        It was either that or go the way of its apartheid nuclear buddy, South Africa.

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        Palestine doesn’t have any oil. There’s some offshore deposits in the Mediterranean but Israel already has full access to those.

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        Do whatever you want. You’re a person behind a screen as am I. You aren’t going to change my mind on this. I’ve heard it for the past 8 years with Clinton then Biden. I cannot vote for people who support a modern day holocaust

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            Man quit it with the “if you don’t vote for the guy I want you’re actually voting for the other guy”. I’m not voting for anyone. You want to secure my vote? Earn it. Don’t just be slightly less monstrous than the other guy

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              Who do you vote? The murderer or the rapist?

              Neither. You don’t vote for either. That is the answer.

              Then you spend 4 years roasting the imbeciles who installed the murderer/rapist as their leader.

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                You actually don’t vote for the president. Our vote is merely a suggestion. So vote freely and with confidence. Which criminal is your preferred president?

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                  Who is more self righteous?

                  The man who refuses to vote for the one aggressively funding genocide or the one who martyrs the world on the guy who is aggressively funding genocide because he is “the lesser evil.”

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                  That’s right, All Israeli citizens are culpable for the bombing Gazan civilians. Therefore they are all valid targets to stop genocide.

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                    Not necessarily, you don’t have to consider them culpable so much as aware, and stuck between a hard place and some very sharp rocks. But I think it would very naturally rest on anyone’s conscience if they’re considering living in the land of Canaan so to speak

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            Why stop at here? They also want to let Russia destroy Ukraine. Both parties are going to support a genocide. Hell isn’t Republican supporting both?

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              Nah man Russia is kind of old news, arguably there was a build up from years ago, and yeah feelings change over time, but if you ask me, nobody really needs to suffer…

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                Just leave the president box blank then. Or find an independent who aligns with your values. Make your voice heard.

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                  I don’t disagree. Will continue to vote locally, even nationally if the candidates align with my values and will keep voting for third parties. I just cannot justify a lesser evil to myself anymore.

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        Trump hates Netanyahu. He’s a fascist, but even he could see that Israel had no intentions of ever peaceably resolving the conflict.

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      This is the dumbest take, unfortunately very common amongst otherwise compassionate people.

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        I will stay dumb and ignorant if it means sticking to my morals of being anti-genocide. Thanks.

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          You’re not any more anti-genocide than I am, you’re just being childish. You’re not getting your way so you’re going home. Meanwhile the right wingers are taking advantage of your childishness to enact more sadistic laws at home.

          You’re literally choosing to be indifferent to the suffering of one set of groups because a politician didn’t protect your preferred set of oppressed peoples.

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            Not saying I am, but voting for someone who enables a genocide goes against my values. If by childish you mean choosing what I want to do with my vote, then sure.

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              Your logic equates to:

              Biden is enabling genocide so I’m going to effectively throw my vote to his opponent, who not only will also enable genocide, but massively expand it.

              Don’t vote FOR Biden, vote AGAINST Trump/Republicans because while both Democrats and Republicans are awful, Republicans are actively sadistic.

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                Great, I’m telling you that it goes against my morals. You can effectively vote for whoever you want and I can effectively not vote for either. Are you going to tell me voting third party is a vote for Trump too?

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          That’s why I’m shifting to voting for Republicans. Only one way to accelerate the enshittification of politics and that’s by electing religious nutcases that will enforce their system on everyone.

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            Why do we want to accelerate it again? Honestly seems like some Russian “Keep America busy and out of conflicts” plan. I’d rather not vote in a group that will also make it harder to fix anything without a second civil war.

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              Mostly I’m just tired of smoothbrains complaining about the president when they are probably doing jack shit to change FPTP voting at their local, county and state levels. I know for some folks sarcasm doesn’t come across too clearly on the Internet.

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                Small steps, if a few big swing vote states move away from FPTP then we may see a paradigm shift in the national political system of the USA

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            Being disappointed by one party then immediately latching onto the teat of the other party is exactly what The Party raised you to do.

            Congrats on being a top notch bitch.