Here we go again…

  • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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    1 year ago

    We had two mass shootings in the UK and banned guns, no mass shootings since.

    Factually wrong. Most recent was 2023…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Why lie?

    Same in NZ

    Most recent 2023
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand

    More lies…

    and Australia.

    Most recent 2019
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

    And batting 3 for 3 in lies! Each country has absolutely had mass shootings since they banned guns. Claiming “No mass shootings since” is just lying. At least be honest when you argue your point please.

    • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      I wouldn’t expect you to understand statistics, but 1 per year versus 620 is noise ya jabroni.

      UK still has shotguns, but no hand guns or semi automatic rifles.

      There have been no mass killings on the scale of Dunblaine or Hungerford since banning those weapons.

      But please carry on with your denial

      • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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        I wouldn’t expect you to understand statistics, but 1 per year versus 620 is noise ya jabroni.

        2023 - 1 so far… 2022 - 2 2021 - 3 2020 - 2

        So even after letting you move the goal-post from NEVER… you moved it to 1 per year… and STILL got it wrong even though I gave you the source.

        But that’s not the point I was even trying to make… The homicide rate in the UK was virtually unaffected for each weapons ban enacted. All that’s happened is that murders that would have been conducted via gun, just happen in other ways now. Also keep in mind that nearly all of the “western” world has been on a downtrend at the same rate for a long while now on homicides/murder/violent crime.


        UK still has shotguns, but no hand guns or semi automatic rifles.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Legal_classification

        You sure about that captain?

        Pistols…

        This law created a new market for “long-barrelled revolvers” and “long-barrelled pistols”,

        Rifles…

        UK law does not provide a statutory definition for a “rifle”.

        I’m starting to think you might not even know the laws in your own country… Forget the USA…


        There have been no mass killings on the scale of Dunblaine or Hungerford since banning those weapons.

        Dunblaine
        1996 - 15 injured 18 dead.

        Hungerford
        1987 - 15 injured 17 dead

        Nothing since 1996 on that scale? You sure? Did you read anything? 2 June 2010
        Cumbria, England 13 dead 11 injured.

        Forget that the original firearms act of Britain was set in 1968. So it all happened while guns were banned… everything since then has been amendments to the act (1988, 1997 were amendments). There were also other legislation in 2006 (so before 2010 mass shooting), 2012, and 2019.


        But please carry on with your denial Talk about denial… You’re denying your own laws/history… Fuck me man… I can’t help you.

        • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.works
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          1 year ago

          Well done, you’ve managed to find the three worst crimes of the last 50 years. About a week’s worth of deaths in America. Do you think you’re proving your point by highlighting how rare mass shootings are in the UK?

          Can you join the dots now and see that when gun ownership is restricted there are far fewer shootings?

          America’s fucked, there’s more guns than people, there’s no way back, just thoughts and prayers and fear.

          • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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            1 year ago

            Well done, you’ve managed to find the three worst crimes of the last 50 years.

            Dude… are you capable of following a conversation? YOU posted the first 2… and said there’s been nothing since then. I showed you one other that was after that is the same scale.

            If you can’t even follow your own conversation you truly are hopeless.

            Can you join the dots now and see that when gun ownership is restricted there are far fewer shootings?

            Doesn’t matter. UK proved that you can’t stop all gun related deaths. And even accounting for that UK overall homicide rate hasn’t decreased any faster than any other “western” country INCLUDING the USA.

            America’s fucked, there’s more guns than people, there’s no way back, just thoughts and prayers and fear.

            No fear here. Just idiot who project it from overseas it seems.

            • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.works
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              1 year ago

              Doesn’t matter. UK proved that you can’t stop all gun related deaths.

              So it’s all or nothing? 🤡

              1/620

              0.16%

              Even accounting for population it’s still blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that guns = shooting

              And the US knife killing rate is still higher than the US. Just a bit more murdery I suppose. But then us Europeans shipped all the religious nutters out to the US for a reason