You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.
Your computer now has a rootkit installed.
And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.
And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal
That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”
You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.
So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.
Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.
Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.
Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.
That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.
Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.
Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”
well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?
Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?
I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?
I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.
No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.
The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.
most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like battleye and vanguard.
also they are often installed automatically while launching games for the first time, without any prompts
yeah maybe just design proper authoritative servers instead?
anticheats are kinda a band-aid solution.Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own
Viva la Gamespy!
slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map
“most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”
-sony’s response
I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.
Or they just haven’t been caught yet.
It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.
Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.
Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was undetected.
Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Rootkits are serious problems.
Wait, what malware was that?
Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.
in 1999 you had the ability to get into a music shop, load the cd and test listen to it. Or just go through the music charts. Or wish for a specific song on radio.
Also 1999 already had Napster, Morpheus and others.
A lot of people still bought whole cd’s because it had that one song from the radio on it.
In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
i’m curious now
usually censorship is used to replace a strong word with a milder one, or to change the meaning of the text
what word in this meme was so egregious that OP saw fit to replace it with “fucking”
My best guess is that it originally was “fucking,” someone censored it to something like “hecking,” then someone else censored the censor back to “fucking”
I kinda love this journey though
Who doesn’t love fucking?
Asexuals?
You listen to it anyway and it grows on you.
So much this! I don’t use Spotify, I buy all my music on Bandcamp. Sometimes I buy an album after just hearing the first song because I find it interesting, but then after a few more listens I realize that the album is not what I thought it was. However, I’m already committed because I paid for it, and it now sits at the top of my collection, so I continue to listen to it. Sometimes it turns out I find qualities in the music that I didn’t notice at the first listen, and I learn to like it. Sometimes not, and I ditch it.
This was also the way I discovered music before Spotify even existed, I just never changed my habits (I just used other services than Bandcamp back then). I think more people should try turning off the algorithmic entertainment faucet that is Spotify and try committing a bit more to the music that they listen to. Also, a lot more money goes to the artists this way, Spotify is basically stealing from the artists.
I buy all my music on Bandcamp.
How much have you spent on buying albums in Bandcamp? It must be a lot if Bandcamp is the your only choice for listening to music.
I have 170 albums in my Bandcamp collection. I have a lot more on my mp3 collection which I have bought via other means. Each album is maybe $10 on average, so that is around $1700. I have used Bandcamp for around 8 years after 7digital closed their EU store and eMusic became trash. So that’s around $17 per month. Not a lot of money in my book, music means a lot to me!
Okay, that’s a large collection. I am more interested to buy vinyl these days but they are too expensive here.
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Conversely, you buy a CD from a band you’ve never heard of just because you like the album art or maybe even the title or the band name, and you find out it’s a god damn masterpiece from start to finish. This is how I discovered Audioslave almost 20 years ago and it’s the best $14 I ever spent. I still have the disc btw and it still plays perfectly.
That album showed me how to live.
But it didn’t give you life… Wait, did it?
Technically the one I bought on a whim back then was Out of Exile, which I would now consider the weakest of the three, but I liked it enough to seek out more.
That’s how I bought the Hybrid Theory album from Linkin Park. Took a chance, knew nothing about them.
This was LD50 for me
Yeah except in 1999 you could go to Sam Goody or The Warehouse or whatever, and listen to the album in the store before buying, especially if it was a new release.
Personally, I was going to the public library and checking out it CDs from there.
There was also a market for used CDs back in the day so you could sell it and buy another
The still a few stores around here in Portland trading CDs and vinyl
Still is!
I used to go to Tower Records to listen to albums. Never bought a single cd.
Napster was 99
I was talking those CDs from the library and loading them onto my Rio PMP
shout out to the Dalston Virgin for showing me the world of DJ Yoda
If it’s 1999, you would go to a record store if you wanted to buy an album and depending on the store the would have a sampler disk and could tell you if it sucked or not. Also, if the songs where good you would have billboard to tell you how good it was as well as your local radio station.
Or you could just open Napster and download the whole album for free.
Yeah, I like how this is pretending that the internet didn’t exist in 1999 because there was no Spotify or iTunes.
More like $20.
Got the censored version at Walmart.
Uugh …
Waif Me
Then you realize you aren’t paying $20 a month, and you buy a new album, that you fucking OWN forever.
$20 CAD gets you a family plan that you can share up to 5 people, so $4 CAD each.
Not sure what you’re on about. If you’re paying $20 for Spotify you’re getting ripped off.
Or you can pay $25 CAD for YouTube Premium, share it with 5 people, and get both YouTube ad free AND YouTube Music for $5 CAD per month.
I’d rather pay $4/$5 per month to access millions of songs than $20 for an album that I will get bored of in a few months, thanks.
You would rarely buy random cd’s or whatnot. You would hear one or 2 songs on the radio, or from a friend, or you already loved the artist. You’d loan it from the library, or spend 30 min listening to it in the store.
Then you would come home and set it on repeat for weeks. Even the tracks on the CD that were less good, you would appreciate.
I definitely preferred how much I cared for the music back then a lot more. Even pre-Napster.
No wonder piracy was so popular
1999 piracy mostly consisted of paying for a pirated copy that someone decided to make profit off; most likely, they weren’t the person to make the (first!) copy, and they’re not even sure what’s on the thing they were selling you. It was mostly bootlegging.
When I was a kid we still recorded stuff off the radio and copied our zx spectrum games on the family hi-fi. I’d say good times but it’s so much better now I can pirate everything in great quality from teh interwebs.
My memory is a little fuzzy with dates but I’m pretty sure Napster was going full steam by '99 but even before that we used to trade mp3 files on mIRC or ICQ+CuteFTP, I had hundreds of albums I never paid for which I am still amazed I managed to do over a shared 56k connection
In the pre-Internet early 90s, CDs were $15-25 (with inflation, about $40 now)…. And for a lot of music, you had no way of hearing it first. Shoplifting was popular.
At least later on a lot of shops had these listening stations.
That’s why I always wore my umbro shorts with the inner liner before I went to Walmart
For real… I never had this problem before… Currently I’m a proud Spotify user.
At least you fucking OWN the thing, tho
Yet I don’t have any of them anymore
I guess they’re in a closet… Deep in the back.
$10 would get a you a CD where the 3rd track is also the last.
Yup. I seem to remember most mainstream albums were around $15-20 in the 1990s. Adjusted for inflation, that’d be about $28-37 today.
The better comparison with Spotify is that it’s a mafia that you pay $11 / month for the rest of your life and they give you a bunch of free music but if you ever stop paying, they’ll bust into your house and take it all away.
Vs. spending $10 for an album you might not like but you can sell it, give it to a friend, or put it in storage for 10 years until you find it during a move and realize your tastes changed and now this album fucking rocks (happened to me with a few things).
Oh and Bandcamp ftw. You can listen to most albums free for a few times and when you buy it, you own it forever w/o DRM - plus if you buy a hardcopy, you get a digital one included. I used to use Napster like that - as a shit quality preview of an album I might end up buying later.
Bandcamp just got purchased by a shit head company and is laying off staff…I’ve got 1500+ albums on bandcamp it’s fucking great and about to be fucked.
Okay, but they give you DRM free downloads. If EPIC kills them, you still own every album as long as you download it. I’ll be sad if Bandcamp dies, but I can still play all music I got from it. That’s the way it should be.
Oh I am doing just that, it is going to be a pain in the ass, but I am going to download the full library in FLAC format. And it not Epic anymore is Songster or something like that.
Why is it a shit head company?
There were so many shitty albums I bought for $16 in the early 90s (even worse, that’s like $30 now) and had the exact experience in the meme. Things like we loved the first Suicidal Tendencies album, bought the second and were ‘wtf is this?’ The only way we had to pick out death metal was based on the cover art and record label… put it in the CD player, okay, good guitar sound… just have to wait until the guy sings… that pretty much decided it.
Death metal
wait until the guy sings
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MFW the main singer guttural scream isn’t as good as in the last album.
/jk
With a new band you never know. It could be a low, murky graaar like Immolation or Bolt Thrower… or a higher pitch like most Entombed (I prefer Clandestine where some bassist from another band sang, but most people don’t, for some reason). Or it could be like Deicide where the singer is mainly good then they cheapen it with this cheesy high pitched thing…. Carcass where the singer is h medium pitched and sounds good, then they also have a low guttural voice thrown in here and there, which was alright. Or maybe all is well and it’s the perfect Morbid Angel vocals.
Sounds like a Theatre of Tragedy problem.
“Fuck that shit. We’ll fire the singer that put us on the map because she was only supposed to be a back-up, and then we’ll go full techno”.
(as you may guess, I never got over it. Also, I know this full-techno song was still w/ Liv Kristine, but they stayed techno-ey and I picked a song I don’t actually hate)
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I tried to listen the song and it’s not really my cup of tea. It felt almost psychedelic.
I for the most cases , don’t enjoy any screaming and neither vocals for that matter. That’s why I mostly will only listen to instrumental pieces of the metal genre like the doom ost. Nothing else matters is an exception but that song is more of ballad.
Exactly! Compare to Rose for the Dead, which is arguably (ok, my opinion) the most solid “Beauty and the Beast” genre death metal song ever written.
Of course, there ARE vocals, but as I say, totally different genre.
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The part from 1:09 to 1:18 was a pleasant surprise to my ears. The woman seems very talented and I totally understand why you’d feel like a it was a huge waste to fire her.
The start of the instrumental transported my mind into a bandit filled wasteland world. It’d fit soo well into ashe 2063 ( a free doom full conversions game that I highly recommend ) or at least watch a playthrough of. I guarantee you’d play it after watching a few minutes.
If you like that at all, their Aegis album features her much more heavily, if with somewhat less “growl”. She also has had a few bands since that did “okay” in Norway. Leaves’ Eyes does gothic twist on some traditional celtic.
Also, “Beauty and the Beast” death/doom are hard to find, but Cradle of Filth had a few phenomenal songs of that genre. Nymphetamine Fix is my favorite of theirs. It’s so hard to find good death or doom that fit my tastes.
I watched a little LP of ashe 2063. FPS’s don’t work well with me, but it seemed interesting. Me with gaming seems like you with music :) I don’t like “vocals” (action reflex games)
The dude growling voice wasn’t that bad the first time he sang. Later parts weren’t as good tho. The part at 1:22 till 1:45 was my favorite. Really digging the folklore feel.
I actually have really bad reflexes but most games allow to toggle the difficulty and juste enjoy the story with the exploration as the reward, not passing the challenges. I wish it was as easy to toggle the vocals off. So many songs I deeply enjoyed until someone sang and removed any joy listening to it, so i end up playing that first part over and over.
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Fucking Death metal was my counter to shitty alternative albums with one hit…30 years later I’m still a fan of grindcore/death metal/stoner metal…thank god for Relapse Records.
