I didn’t want to direct this question to Americans specifically because, at this point, other countries have shown support to Israel in one or the other way. If my country was financing this, I would be taking the streets. Shit, I’m right now in the hospital but all I can think about is protesting anyway just to feel I did something to stop this madness.

Are you doing something about this? Are you feeling unsettled? How do you feel about all this mess?

EDIT: So, buying Chinese stuff takes the USS Gerald Ford to Gaza’s coast. Also, TIL that that chocolate my cousin gave me when she was 20 and I was 5, (delicious stuff!) made me a slavist-ish. The fact remains, this genocide is being paid and supported by taxpayers money; of course, I was hoping that most of us didn’t pay taxes wishing for this. Thank you all for your responses, some of them were hard to swallow.

  • demystify@lemmy.mlEnglish
    189·
    1 year ago

    The only thing I’m dissatisfied with is their free hand with bombing civilians along with military targets. I can understand that Israel is angry, and rightfully so, but they fancy themselves a western country, being better than terrorist Hamas. They can’t let their anger take control. Bombing civilians undermines their legitimatecy, I think they should try and be as surgical as possible, like they did in previous rounds of fighting. Other than that, I fully support their desire to root out Hamas. Though conquering Gaza only has any merit to it if they decide to stay and govern it themselves, otherwise Hamas would just rise up again.

    • FuckyWucky [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      336·
      1 year ago

      I think they should try and be as surgical as possible

      How about this, remove the blockade on Gaza, give everyone there citizenship and become a secular state.

      like they did in previous rounds of fighting

      When has Israel not leveled civilian buildings? Have you not seen charts comparing Israeli casualties to Palestinian ones?

      I can understand that Israel is angry, and rightfully so

      I think Palestinians should be the ones who should be angry for the way Israel has treated them since inception.

      • demystify@lemmy.mlEnglish
        64·
        1 year ago

        I have so much to say over this comment. I’ll try to be concise.

        remove the blockade on Gaza, give everyone there citizenship and become a secular state

        • Israel doesn’t trust Hamas. The blockade, which, mind you, is also enforced by Egypt, is meant to limit the group’s ability to procure weapons. Water, food, fuel and other necessities are usually provided by both Israel and international help.
        • Neither Gazans want Israeli citizenship, nor Israel wants Gazans to be its citizens.
        • Religious and secular political forces quarrel in Israel daily. It can’t just “become” secular. A big portion of Israelis don’t want it to.

        When has Israel not leveled civilian buildings? Have you not seen charts comparing Israeli casualties to Palestinian ones?

        • If not for Iron Dome, Israeli casualties would be way higher.
        • Any civilian casualties are to be condemned. Yet, you must remember that Hamas likes to base itself under hospitals, schools, mosques. Not only that, but Gaza is also very densly populated. They’re some 2.5 million people over 365km squared. It’s very difficult to carry out any strikes without damaging hundreds of people. Yet, in the 2021 conflict, only 260 Gazans died as a result of strikes, despite hundreds if not thousands of shellings. Israel claims that at least 200 of those were militians. If that is not surgical, I don’t know what is.

        I think Palestinians should be the ones who should be angry for the way Israel has treated them since inception.

        Read a little about the history of the conflict, as well as about peace talks and different offers that Israel made.

        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
          10·
          1 year ago

          Israel doesn’t trust Hamas.

          Then maybe Israel shouldn’t have funded them.

          The blockade, which, mind you, is also enforced by Egypt

          The US-backed dictatorship in Egypt is doing the US’s bidding? You don’t say…

          Any civilian casualties are to be condemned.

          Israel hasn’t made much distinction between combatants and non-combatants since 1949 - can’t blame Hamas for playing by Israel’s rules.

          Yet, you must remember that Hamas likes to base itself under hospitals, schools, mosques.

          Right, because there are vast tracts of unused real estate in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet, eh?

          If that is not surgical, I don’t know what is.

          There is no such thng as a “surgical” artillery shell, Clyde. And as for the claim itself… the IDF is no more trustworthy than the Apartheid security forces were.

          Fuck Israel.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          Not only that, but Gaza is also very densly populated. They’re some 2.5 million people over 365km squared.

          So weird that Palestinians would choose to live like this without the influence of any other party. They even built a huge wall around themselves to keep other people out.

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
          3·
          1 year ago

          See I’m against that. I think that individuals and groups have a right to be armed. Putting a blockade around a people to prevent them from getting weapons is a violation of those people’s rights.

    • selokichtli@lemmy.mlOP
      111·
      1 year ago

      Are you satisfied about they having a nuclear arsenal after this? It’s not a rhetorical question, I’m actually interested in your thoughts about this.

      • demystify@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        I don’t know, what does it matter? They don’t even acknowledge it, nevermind about using it. The only instance in which they might use their nukes is the Samson Option, which looks like something any country would do.

        • selokichtli@lemmy.mlOP
          152·
          1 year ago

          It matters because it changes all logics in a war. In this case, I think it matters because you described them as angry, bombing civilians along with military targets. If they don’t differentiate one of the other, the only thing stopping them from nuking the Gaza stripe is probably the inconvenience of being too close.

          • demystify@lemmy.mlEnglish
            61·
            1 year ago

            Ah, I see. No, they’re not that stupid. Even if nuking Gaza didn’t affect them because of proximity, they wouldn’t. They rely on American help too much, and struggle as they do with international forces. Nuking Gaza would leave them ostricized and heavily sanctioned, if not invaded.

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
      62·
      1 year ago

      Looking at the geopolitics and many sides of the conflict, wouldn’t other better and bigger groups join in if it comes close to the annihilation of Hamas?

      Looking at Hezbollah and Iran, joining in as a minimum.

      This would start making the war closer to WWIII.

      Anyone with more information or confidence want to correct or add detail?

      • masquenox@lemmy.ml
        3·
        1 year ago

        This attack will energize the populations of a lot of middle-eastern regimes that have been playing footsie with Israel over the last few decades - so yeah… both in the long and short term things are looking shaky for Israel. Would it lead to WW3? Unlikely… even if Israel’s geopolitical reach and importance is curbed by this, the US already has another thug regime in the area that can do it’s dirty work for it - Saudi Arabia.