Hi there! I’ve been trying to improve the situation for the past few hours. I managed to disable CF Protection, and as you can see, I’m gradually allowing traffic from the fediverse. There may still be delays in deliveries and posts for some time. If anything is particularly troublesome, please let me know through the contact form. Sorry for the temporary blackouts. New possibilities have emerged, which I’d like to discuss with you soon. Now I need a few hours for a nap, shower, and I have to grab something to eat because I can’t survive on bananas only :P
And look at this!
https://fedia.io/
Just please be understanding towards the new admins. This is still a prototype, and what we’re doing here is meant to yield results in the future. I’m doing everything I can to get back to patching critical things in the code as quickly as possible. Have fun! :)
Oooh and You can send me your domain name ideas via pm.
https://kbin.social/u/ernest/message
@ernest While umbrella plattforms are great, if you want to think in the longterm, I wager this is something you might want to evaluate a bit. People may dissagree, but I think that in the longterm the fediverse will look much more like email, being a ecosystem of single providers, instead of a plattform consisting of many sub-providers, although there probably will always be space for it.
Umbrella platforms are great if you don’t have a lot of infrastructure and capital as you can get a lot of horizontal growth without having to invest in it yourself. But in the long term this is a battle for the one big forum provider, the place people will go to have reddit-style groups in the fediverse. If you are smart and want to beat Lemmy to the dust I’d just push donations, and really build Kbin.social and make that your whole thing.
This is also way better for new people that are not familiar with the fediverse and instances, checking out Kbin.pub, which will make the onboarding that much more efficient than your competitiors.
This is also the direction Mastodon is going, and later also where Pixelfed is going, after I’ve pestered him for years.
Don’t waste your time and jump over all the hoops. Kbin has so much potential, and going as the opensource hotmail/gmail “reddit” of the fediverse is the future! B-)
Anyway, I have great faith in you Earnest no matter how you do it. Go rock the world!
People may dissagree, but I think that in the longterm the fediverse will look much more like email, being a ecosystem of single providers, instead of a plattform consisting of many sub-providers
Allow me to be the first.
This is exactly the opposite of the value proposition of the Fediverse. It’s going from the internet being 5 websites to the internet bring 5 other websites. It’s merely and change in ownership, and that should be avoided at the ideological level.
the long term this is a battle for the one big forum provider, the place people will go to have reddit-style groups in the fediverse. If you are smart and want to beat Lemmy to the dust
This is weird corporate monopolist thinking, and it’s a fucking mind virus. Lemmy doesn’t need to be beaten. The Fediverse is fundamentally a cooperative exercise, and deciding that some other piece of software needs to be crushed to dust is not healthy for that exercise.
We don’t need that shit here. None of this needs to wholesale replace corporate social media. It doesn’t need 3 billion users to succeed. We shouldn’t want it to look and behave like the purposefully toxic spaces, and we don’t need to behave like the sociopaths that run them.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare large instances existing to fully centralized platforms. I think there is a place for both large and small servers, we need both.
I love the potential I see in the Fediverse and its underlying technology, but I feel like a lot of people here have a hard time accepting that this is genuinely pretty confusing to the average non-techie. Anything we can do to reduce friction and have a recommended entry point for the average casual Twitter/Reddit refugee is a good thing.
It’s not like small instances are gonna go away for those that want them. The true beauty of the Fediverse is that we can please everyone.
It’s only confusing at first. But the idea that someone should understand something fully at first contact is… Not a good one.
Not everyone wants to dig deep into understanding everything, and if you expect everyone should have to you’re going to lose a lot of people who just want to read the news and upvote cat pictures.
@Kichae Most people don’t hate email. I love email. It’s the most successfull, healthy example of a decentralized network that empower not only enthusiasts like yourself, but the average person.
Every time I get a response from people like you, I get reminded of how selfcentered some people are to their own needs all the time, or wanting to promise a utopia even though we have the closest example to it that we actually can promise to people.
And not only that, you are a part of the unresponsible and toxic part of the fediverse.
You are the problem Ms. or Mr.
Edit: Seems like people need to be reminded 24/7. Lemmy is run by tankies that suppoort Russia, deny the genocide of Uighurs, and sooner than later is just going to destroy their platform. Read this thread
email is everything but a healthy example of decentralization, running your own personal email server is near impossible without complying to the big email providers like Google that will block/mark as spam your emails if you don’t match their standards.
@Kichae I must say that I am really suprised this is the one that has the most upvotes. I know most people come from Reddit and are like super internett nerds. But it is pretty disheartening at this is where the Kbin community is at.
I still have hope for the network, but it also attracts the worst kind of people to associate with as well. be it super right-wing people, or super anti-capitalist people, even like antisemetic, genocide denying tankies like the two devs of Lemmy, never touching grass and living in their own bubble, and the worst part, just really fumbling at everything they do, even as things manage to go their way.
I’ve been a part of the fediverse movement since the start, but it’s sad to give so much and build so much for it to end up into this. Particurarly when I have personally put so much sweat and tears into it myself.
You’re sounding like you’re pushing for the Fediverse to be an open source mirror of what already exists. Centralized in practice, and apparently at war with itself.
I can’t imagine why you’d think replicating systems that are already abusive would be the way forward. Replacing the masters does not fix the fact that the system itself is toxic.
It’s the nature of sites that use upvoting and downvoting concepts, upvote and downvote is toxic. Downvote especially. Talk about people who dislike replacing bad systems the corporations made, the toxic voting system these sites use is now being carried over to the fediverse. It exploits the bad parts of human behavior and makes the systems worse.
I’ve disagreed with this when Youtube made the dislike change and I’ll disagree with it now.
Upvotes/downvotes may not be needed in opinion pieces, but they are pretty necessary for any educational/scientific/news/tutorial etc. content to filter out the factually wrong answers so removing those will inevitably lead to misinformation being spread around. So in that context, an upvote/downvote system actually adds value.
It may be toxic in some instances, but there’s really no better simple alternative (the only one I can think of would be extreme moderation, but that’s a whole other can of worms).
People may dissagree
Yeah. People will.
You propose centralization in a federated ecosystems. I don’t really see the rationale.
much more efficient than your competitiors
I guess if you’re planning to “compete”, then you need to think about beating your competitors, but if that’s the case, then why base your project on federated protocol in the first place? Why not just build something separate (like Tildes https://tildes.net/, if we’re talking about Reddit alternatives) - and remove your project from internal competition from the get go?
But why does it have to be a competition?
This is also the direction Mastodon is going, and later also where Pixelfed is going, after I’ve pestered him for years.
Once Meta releases their Instagram active-pub service, we’ll have 1.2 billion MAU’s hitting the protocol. You’re saying we should all just go there and forget about all the other servers? I don’t see any logic in that.
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Exactly, it’s what Calckey, Pixelfed, and even Mastodon did when their meta instances were being overloaded with new sign ups
It also confused the shit out of newbies who neither know nor care what an instance is and find the idea too outside of their existing comprehension or level of caring to wrap their heads around.
If it’s too hard for you to click a “join a different instance/server” button and select any that’s available, then I just don’t know what to tell you. It’s not that it’s confusing, people just got extremely lazy when all they have to do is open of the 5 mega-platforms like Twitter and Reddit to access everything.
Do you think normal people know anything about client-server architecture, or are willing to learn? A successful service must have a single website with a single auth system, with a domain name having few characters at .com, or a competing service will win.
people just got extremely lazy when all they have to do is open of the 5 mega-platforms like Twitter and Reddit to access everything.
That’s a funny way of saying “to an end user, not having to give a shit about what instance you’re on is an objectively easier and thus better experience”.
Particularly when most people couldn’t tell you what a server even is. It just makes them confused because it’s neither something they understand nor something they’re going to be motivated to care about.
If using a platform feels like hard work compared to its competitors, that’s a failing of the platform, not of users. Users don’t owe the platform anything.
I can guarantee there are also plenty of things you, in common with everyone else, simply do not care about and cannot be convinced to care about, and would similarly consider it an imposition to be required to care about them or be judged as “lazy”.
This is the exact antithesis of the fediverse. It isn’t looking to make the next centralized social media site. That’s not the goal. Expanding one big site as much as possible is exactly what we don’t want and isn’t sustainable.
I just want to comment that it’s so refreshing to see a post that’s heavily downvoted but not hidden away. This just got me so excited for kbin. It feels like the old webforum experience, where people said controversial things and it sparked discussion and new ideas, not an echo chamber where everyone’s smelling their own farts.
I agree with the 5/8ths majority that’s against you, and that isn’t a reason for you to feel shame or me to feel smug. It just is. It’s beautiful.
My intuition is that Kbin shouldn’t be responsible for running more instances than necessary - ideally, the running, administration, and mainstainance of instances should be left to other people (like Fedia.io). Developing Kbin while running kbin.social (and the polish instances) seems to me to be enough work already. :)
I get that it’s a lot of pressure on kbin.social right now, but in the long term I think having only one English language kbin-run instance makes the most sense.
Agreed - ideally many people should be able to run instances, to take the pressure off the devs. I mean I’m working on a piece of fedi server software and I would hate to have to spend most of my time on admin business rather than dev work :P
this guy is thinking with 100% of his brain
@ernest coming from Reddit, I think what will make this platform explode will be its ease of use. Any steps you can do to help make the end user experience better and easy to navigate/engage with will help the platform grow.
If the platform is not intuitive or confusing, the platform will not work in the long term.
@SceNtriC said Reddidn’t and @noodlejetski proposed as well lawwsu.it
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I’d suggest scaling up this instance (to whatever you feel like is reasonable, regarding hosting costs etc) and working on improving the documentation for other admins who might want to spin up an instance.
Close signups if you have to.
I feel like running additional instances is just going to take up more of your time - instead of freeing you to do more development.
But if you want to start new ones - the logical (but oh so boring) way would be to spin
kbin.(pick|what|ever|TLDs|you|like)I’m still getting the CF protection from time to time, has it been turned on again?
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I honestly think it will be better to keep pumping resources into kbin.social. You can spam us to keep donating to help keep it up, I think it’s worth it. It’s hard for people to understand that you can sign up at multiple different servers, Mastodon has even understood this and they’re going to a more centralized by default approach.
Concentration is not a bad thing, we are still using an open protocol and can communicate with people who are using that same protocol. If we continue to divide it will make it harder for adoption, and less people will end up using these services.
I’d consider advertising to help pay for it at least tbh.
I’d rather hand money directly to kbin than have to deal with ads. Just my $.02
