@Bicyclejohn at first my position as a Muslim was that frankly, I don’t care. I’m in the west, and even though my religion strongly condemns the act (but having thoughts are not sinful, rather a test as the blind is tested, the poor is tested, etc. and your reward is in the afterlife for abstaining or, if failing to abstain, to repent constantly from sin), I know I can’t reasonably expect my country to conform to my own beliefs.
That being said, it did not really end at “oh yeah two men or two women can marry now”. It’s a cult-like ideology with a month long celebration. The flags are thrown up on the White House in a really strange and eerie way to me. It’s very prevalent among children even in elementary school. All this pronoun stuff, while I don’t typically care, is being presented to children under the age of 10. This is concerning to me. A lot of the so-called science is clearly funded and published by those with agendas. And even if it isn’t, we can’t say the long term effects of transitioning are positive because we only have a few years of data anyway, and mostly in adults not minors.
So that’s why I have become more hateful. It is not just “I can marry a man/woman now”. It is a powerful, cult-like ideology that itself focuses extremely on sex and sexual acts. I just cannot agree with this. There are no parades for heterosexual people. There are no public displays of lewd acts. There are no flags thrown up on the White House. You have the rights you wanted but for some reason the ideology only grows more feverish with time. Why? What is going on?
I see it and to me it is comparable to the description of the people of Lot in the Qur’an. They were also feverish. They were extreme in their actions and in fact forced people into it. The traveler who made the mistake of stopping in their town was not left to his own devices. I’m not saying this is how the LGBT is now, but that’s the path I see it taking. And when Lot called them towards better behavior, they called for his “cancellation”:
• Sahih International:
But the answer of his people was only that they said, “Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure.”
Al-A’raf, Ayah 82
They wanted him ostracized and removed from society. Why? He was a lone man calling out this action. It wasn’t an organized effort to actively hunt down or execute these people. He merely said:
• Sahih International:
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
Al-A’raf, Ayah 81
So yeah. That’s why I’ve become more hateful. It didn’t stop at “we just want to get married”. I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their own home. The problem is it isn’t just the home now. It’s media, schools, politicians, the White House, and more.
Even though I understand how this works on an intellectual level, it’s still astounding to me that you can ascribe yourself a literal ideology as an identity -in that you start as a Muslim, instead of as a member of Islam- and accuse a whole lot of people who have a literal identity inextricable from their person of subscribing to an ideology.
It’s very interesting.
I could say the same from the point of view of an atheist living in a western country with muslim populations. First it was these people can go to mosques to pray and can cover their hair if they are women. Why do I care. But it didn’t stop there. Now they want me to respect their fasting on ramadan and not eat in public, force me to listen to their call to prayer five times a day, including at the crack of dawn, force alcohol serving restaurants -if they permit them at all- to be out of sight. That’s why I became more hateful…
@CynAq I am a Muslim first and foremost, before anything else.
If the west chose to approach Islam in this way, I would not complain. I have no expectations of non-Muslims to respect or treat my faith with dignity. You want to hate it or whatever go ahead. A lot of so called progressives called Muslims allies but the reality is no Muslim agrees with 90% of the social issues from these groups. It’s that simple. You have the right to hate.
Next, it is one thing to be gay and another entirely to take part in all the, yes, ideological events that surround LGBT. You can be gay and Muslim. You are not punished for your thoughts. Even if you act upon them, the door of repentance is open until your last breath, to all Muslims and people. You cannot be Muslim and say that the action is permissible, or that such a lifestyle is encouraged or praiseworthy. Like I said, some people may be tested in this way, but it doesn’t validate the culture around it.
You have given a very accurate answer to OP’s question, without knowing you were doing it. People like you have come up with these false charges against the LGBTQ community because of things you’ve read/heard/believed off of the internet.
Let me ask you a question, and please answer with all honesty. If you did not have the internet, if you did not have tv and multimillion dollar news companies to watch, how would this group of people have any weight on your life at all? How would their celebrations and actions affect you? The answer is, quite plainly, they wouldn’t, not one little bit. However, you have bought into things you have read on the internet and heard from outlets like Fox News.
Where I live, the only time I hear about Pride is when there are people crying about it, even though there is nothing having to do with it in 100 miles. The fact of the matter is that people like yourself have always and will always want to be seen as the victim. Gay people exist, and people are going to celebrate it, get over it and mind your own business if you don’t like it.
@HandOfKarma My brother’s school has events like this. They had tried to have one such drag queen come read a story to a class of 9 year olds. It affects me. If it didn’t, I wouldn’t care, you’re right. If I had no internet and it wasn’t splattered over stores and flags were up in my local park for some reason (no flags during black history month, no flags that symbolize christianity during christmas, no flags except govt flags otherwise), then yeah obviously I would not care. But it is in my face, impacting my younger brother. So yeah, I care.
I hate responses like this because they’re filled with so many falsehoods that you know they’re in bad faith.
Pride isn’t about sex. Pronouns aren’t about sex. Gender isn’t about sex. Nobody wants to corrupt the children with sex in the lgbt camps. Stop making our entire existences about sex, it’s fucking disgusting.
@Bicyclejohn at first my position as a Muslim was that frankly, I don’t care. I’m in the west, and even though my religion strongly condemns the act (but having thoughts are not sinful, rather a test as the blind is tested, the poor is tested, etc. and your reward is in the afterlife for abstaining or, if failing to abstain, to repent constantly from sin), I know I can’t reasonably expect my country to conform to my own beliefs.
That being said, it did not really end at “oh yeah two men or two women can marry now”. It’s a cult-like ideology with a month long celebration. The flags are thrown up on the White House in a really strange and eerie way to me. It’s very prevalent among children even in elementary school. All this pronoun stuff, while I don’t typically care, is being presented to children under the age of 10. This is concerning to me. A lot of the so-called science is clearly funded and published by those with agendas. And even if it isn’t, we can’t say the long term effects of transitioning are positive because we only have a few years of data anyway, and mostly in adults not minors.
So that’s why I have become more hateful. It is not just “I can marry a man/woman now”. It is a powerful, cult-like ideology that itself focuses extremely on sex and sexual acts. I just cannot agree with this. There are no parades for heterosexual people. There are no public displays of lewd acts. There are no flags thrown up on the White House. You have the rights you wanted but for some reason the ideology only grows more feverish with time. Why? What is going on?
I see it and to me it is comparable to the description of the people of Lot in the Qur’an. They were also feverish. They were extreme in their actions and in fact forced people into it. The traveler who made the mistake of stopping in their town was not left to his own devices. I’m not saying this is how the LGBT is now, but that’s the path I see it taking. And when Lot called them towards better behavior, they called for his “cancellation”:
وَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوۡمِهِۦۤ إِلَّاۤ أَن قَالُوۤا۟ أَخۡرِجُوهُم مِّن قَرۡیَتِكُمۡۖ إِنَّهُمۡ أُنَاسࣱ یَتَطَهَّرُونَ﴿ ٨٢ ﴾
• Sahih International:
But the answer of his people was only that they said, “Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure.”
Al-A’raf, Ayah 82
They wanted him ostracized and removed from society. Why? He was a lone man calling out this action. It wasn’t an organized effort to actively hunt down or execute these people. He merely said:
إِنَّكُمۡ لَتَأۡتُونَ ٱلرِّجَالَ شَهۡوَةࣰ مِّن دُونِ ٱلنِّسَاۤءِۚ بَلۡ أَنتُمۡ قَوۡمࣱ مُّسۡرِفُونَ﴿ ٨١ ﴾
• Sahih International:
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
Al-A’raf, Ayah 81
So yeah. That’s why I’ve become more hateful. It didn’t stop at “we just want to get married”. I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their own home. The problem is it isn’t just the home now. It’s media, schools, politicians, the White House, and more.
Even though I understand how this works on an intellectual level, it’s still astounding to me that you can ascribe yourself a literal ideology as an identity -in that you start as a Muslim, instead of as a member of Islam- and accuse a whole lot of people who have a literal identity inextricable from their person of subscribing to an ideology.
It’s very interesting.
I could say the same from the point of view of an atheist living in a western country with muslim populations. First it was these people can go to mosques to pray and can cover their hair if they are women. Why do I care. But it didn’t stop there. Now they want me to respect their fasting on ramadan and not eat in public, force me to listen to their call to prayer five times a day, including at the crack of dawn, force alcohol serving restaurants -if they permit them at all- to be out of sight. That’s why I became more hateful…
@CynAq I am a Muslim first and foremost, before anything else.
If the west chose to approach Islam in this way, I would not complain. I have no expectations of non-Muslims to respect or treat my faith with dignity. You want to hate it or whatever go ahead. A lot of so called progressives called Muslims allies but the reality is no Muslim agrees with 90% of the social issues from these groups. It’s that simple. You have the right to hate.
Next, it is one thing to be gay and another entirely to take part in all the, yes, ideological events that surround LGBT. You can be gay and Muslim. You are not punished for your thoughts. Even if you act upon them, the door of repentance is open until your last breath, to all Muslims and people. You cannot be Muslim and say that the action is permissible, or that such a lifestyle is encouraged or praiseworthy. Like I said, some people may be tested in this way, but it doesn’t validate the culture around it.
You have given a very accurate answer to OP’s question, without knowing you were doing it. People like you have come up with these false charges against the LGBTQ community because of things you’ve read/heard/believed off of the internet.
Let me ask you a question, and please answer with all honesty. If you did not have the internet, if you did not have tv and multimillion dollar news companies to watch, how would this group of people have any weight on your life at all? How would their celebrations and actions affect you? The answer is, quite plainly, they wouldn’t, not one little bit. However, you have bought into things you have read on the internet and heard from outlets like Fox News.
Where I live, the only time I hear about Pride is when there are people crying about it, even though there is nothing having to do with it in 100 miles. The fact of the matter is that people like yourself have always and will always want to be seen as the victim. Gay people exist, and people are going to celebrate it, get over it and mind your own business if you don’t like it.
@HandOfKarma My brother’s school has events like this. They had tried to have one such drag queen come read a story to a class of 9 year olds. It affects me. If it didn’t, I wouldn’t care, you’re right. If I had no internet and it wasn’t splattered over stores and flags were up in my local park for some reason (no flags during black history month, no flags that symbolize christianity during christmas, no flags except govt flags otherwise), then yeah obviously I would not care. But it is in my face, impacting my younger brother. So yeah, I care.
I hate responses like this because they’re filled with so many falsehoods that you know they’re in bad faith.
Pride isn’t about sex. Pronouns aren’t about sex. Gender isn’t about sex. Nobody wants to corrupt the children with sex in the lgbt camps. Stop making our entire existences about sex, it’s fucking disgusting.
Signed, a trans girl.