I’m not sure if this is the right place for a discussion, or if I should rather open an issue at Codeberg.

Anyways, some bold soul posted the first link on @nsfw, which I saw browsing All. It was properly tagged as 18+, but the cropped thumbnail already showed some explicit content.

My proposal would therefore be to blur at least the thumbnails in 18+ posts. I’m not sure how to handle this with federated stuff from e.g. Lemmy, as I have no idea if posts from there can even be tagged 18+.

What does everyone think?

  • sab@kbin.social
    5·
    2 years ago

    I think in the most part you’re right in that it’s “cheap” content, but an exemption would be those posting pictures of themselves (be it for fun or for self-promotion). They might be among the ones to suffer the most from Reddit’s change of policies, and they have a lot to gain from decentralized networks where they gain ownership over their publications.

    I guess more specialized servers might appear at some point, and of course it’s up to the owners of each server whether they want to host their content. I do think, however, that the software should be built to empower these people as well, as they might need it more than most.

    • nude@kbin.social
      2·
      2 years ago

      This is a key point for me.
      There is clearly no shortage of commercial porn on the internet, but self produced (for pleasure or profit) lacks places outside of reddit and twitter.

      I think a decentralised space is ideal for this purpose, as long as it can be effectively hidden from view unless you opt in.

      There’s nothing wrong with nudity, from prudish to explicit. I understand not wanting it on your main feed, but I dont understand the issue with it being in a segregated space.
      I suspect reddits success is in no small part due to hosting but also effectively segregating adult content.

    • grus@kbin.social
      2·
      2 years ago

      Personally I’m not a consumer of that kind of porn/erotic content, but this is a very valid point and I agree with it wholeheartedly.
      Creators of porn/erotic content should have a space for it.
      What makes it especially trick is when such social networks try to get funding for their servers once things kick up - if I remember correctly it was the crackdown from corporate credit cart companies that led to all sorts of sites cracking down on pornographic content.
      I dunno how things are nowadays, but regardless having porn content on the site might pose some difficulties in the future.

      • nude@kbin.social
        3·
        2 years ago

        Its such a strange dichotomy.
        Adult content undoubtedly drives a lot of traffic.
        A site hosting it as well as non-adult content then gets attention from a potential buyer so the adult content gets turfed… but surprise surprise so does the traffic.

        I know its somewhat risky, especially when the community is left to moderate, but there is undoubtedly business opportunites there.

        I wonder how long it will be before a major company decides that the traffic outweighs the risk and just embraces it.

        • sab@kbin.social
          3·
          2 years ago

          I think there’s also a huge difference between at least four types of explicit content:

          1. Normal content that prudish people would be upset by, like a picture of Michelangelo’s David or a news article about a tribe in the Amazonas. I don’t think this should even be tagged NSFW. I mean, come on.
          2. Self-posting, which can be well moderated and is generally unproblematic if tagged NSFW (and the creators are consenting adults, obviously).
          3. Generic non-original content, which is more problematic and often stolen from somewhere. This is the tricky gray zone. Some content is fine, other might be problematic both ethically (reposting someone’s intimate pictures from for example a closed only fans account) and legally (copyright).
          4. Revenge porn and all the shit that shouldn’t ever be on the internet to begin with. This needs to be avoided at all cost, and servers posting it need to be de-federated asap. This is probably the greatest existential threat along with right wing trolls.

          I think the first should be allowed on any server. The second and third are fine as long as long as they are well moderated - whether they’re up to the task I guess is up to whoever maintains the instance.

          • nude@kbin.social
            2·
            2 years ago

            This is a great breakdown.
            1 is obvious. Artistic, informational, that sort of thing is hopefully not seen as an issue outside the most prudish.

            2 is I think the most important. 3 can be found anywhere on the web. 4 shouldnt exist anywhere.

            Allowing people to express themselves freely is what I want to see from the fediverse. If that involves naked media, so be it. I dont think we need anymore repositories for people posting commercial pictures, but I want to see places where are free to explore and share their sexualities without it necessarily being a commercial porn site.

            Its definitely complicated and hard to articulate, but hopefully the fediverse is able to adapt to something like this. Not necessarily kbin or lemmy or anywhere that even currently exists, but hopefully.something comes along to fill that space.