JonEFive

This got me thinking a bit, and I had this whole long post written out. Turns out someone else had a very similar idea to what I was about to discuss regarding public/private keys:

https://aumetra.xyz/posts/fediverse-nomadic-identities#introduction

This approach is interesting because I was thinking that you would need a trusted server to host the public certificate. But maybe that isn’t the case so long as you keep a copy of your public key. As long as you have your private key, you would always have proof that a post made using your public key was from you. Even if someone tried to impersonate you, they wouldn’t be able to sign a post with your private key, which means they wouldn’t be able to link their profile to your account. Your public key certificate effectively becomes your identity and your private key signature is your “password” proof that you are the person associated with that public key.

If your main instance goes down, you could use your keys to create an account on another instance (assuming that’s permitted). Or you can create other accounts like the article describes.

On its own, this keeps your identity intact, but not your post history. It could be designed that your account on one instance references your account on all the other instances it knows about where you have an account. Then a post history could display data from multiple servers, or at least link back to your profile on your other servers.

But if a server goes offline, your posts do too. I just don’t think there’s a great way to manage that.

True. It makes me at least think about what other options there are in terms of resiliency for user accounts. Right now we’re back to the wild west days of the internet where you might not be 100% sure that your provider is in it for the long haul. There were so many random email hosts in the 90s and early 2000s with vanity domains. Now, it’s rare to see anything other than Gmail, outlook, iCloud, or hotmail for personal emails. People congregated around the big companies. That’s what worries me about companies like Meta and Twitter getting into the fediverse

While it isn’t practical for most users, if you’re really that concerned about maintaining control of your user account, you could create your own Kbin instance that’s basically just for you. There are hosting services available where you could probably do it for a few bucks a month plus the cost of the domain name. I’ve considered setting something like this up myself.

Obviously this isn’t a viable solution for most people, but it is an option.

It’s an interesting conundrum for sure, but I think a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. People seem to want what they used to have on reddit: one massive community for each topic. In reality, federated services like Kbin and Lemmy are like lots of small reddits. Each instance has its own group of users and it’s own magazines/communities.

This is a bit like how things used to be before gigantic sites like reddit were around. If there was a particular interest you wanted to follow or discuss, you would seek out a forum site that catered specifically to that interest. You might have a few different sites that you would log into to see new posts, add comments, etc. This fostered some pretty tight knit communities where you might actually get to know other users because they’re might only be a couple hundred active users or even less.

And there might have been some overlap between those forums. If you’re into cars, you might participate in one forum specifically for corvette owners and also a more general car enthusiast forum. Both of those sites might have boards dedicated to a particular model of corvette. The difference now is that you only need one account to participate in both forums.

And when a forum site would shut down, either the owners would give notice ahead of time so that users could relocate, or if the site disappeared, users were left to find new places to congregate on their own.

Kbin.social is a general forum whose purpose is to provide users with a centralized place to log in to to discuss a variety of topics. I think as the fediverse continues to spread, we’ll see more specialized instances. Midwest.social is a good example of that that I am aware of.

So as it pertains to magazine ownership and faith in moderators and admins, is it really all that different from what we’ve been doing? If a magazine owner starts doing something that the community doesn’t like, someone can create a new magazine and users can migrate if they choose. The same is true of an instance owner. In this case, I have faith that if Ernest decides to shut down the Kbin.social instance, they’ll give us fair warning. And if the instance disappears overnight, I’ll have to start over on another instance. The nice thing is that the communities that I participate in might be spread out. So just because this instance goes away, that doesn’t mean that all my content and communities are gone with it. Merely those that were hosted on this particular instance.

I think the better approach would be something akin to multireddits where you could collect posts in similar communities from multiple instances into a single place. I believe magazines already have a feature sort of like that, but I’m not positive. That way, community posts would naturally be spread around to multiple instances and one instance going down wouldn’t be the end of the world.

They simply don’t care. They don’t see the problem with it, and no matter how you explain it, privacy is just never a priority for these people.

I’ve noticed this too. I think it might be when the comment has fallen to a second page.

Really? Well now I need to check again, thanks for the heads up

It’s a shame that these scripts don’t work fit Firefox mobile. That’s where I do most of my… Well I was gonna say redditing. Kbining? 😁

There are many ways you could have dealt with it, but as far as I can see you’ve dealt with the issue as honorably as you could have

It’s certainly a far cry away from “We will remain profit driven until profits arrive” that a certain someone said in response to a legitimate question over on the other site. A breath of fresh air really.

Agreed. I had already created an account on a Lemmy instance (Lemmy.one since I wanted to avoid the two main .ml instances). I had just about settled but decided to give Kbin a try. While it doesn’t seem quite as far along in it’s development, it struck me as a better user experience. Combined with reservations I have about the Lemmy developers… Well, here we are. And seeing this level of involvement and dedication to doing the right thing from the developer confirms that choice. Kudos @ernest