Ok, I can get sort of disagreeing the wildfires are from climate change - that’s a couple of logical steps you have to make. But “It’s not causing anyone to cough” is plainly ludicrous. It was making me cough when I went outside.
“It doesn’t smell bad”? Maybe they have COVID and lost their sense of smell altogether? It certainly smelled bad to me. And if you thought it smelled great - wow. I just don’t ever want to be around you if you like those sorts of smells. I can’t see it actually working with anyone who’s ever been in wildfire smoke before - like you don’t need science or education or anything to notice if it makes you cough, or tell something doesn’t smell great.
Let’s be real. A lot of these people don’t actually believe anything that comes out of their mouth, but if they think it’ll trigger a liberal they’re down with it.
I especially don’t get this “dying to trigger the libs”. Interesting tactic I have to say. I am not compelled to try and trigger anyone - are they all trolls now or something? I have more interesting things to do than to cut off my nose to piss someone else off.
I think there is a lot of pride to be conservative coming into play here. Hard to explain, but I sometimes see this in my family. They proudly present their ignorance to show off their conservativism, hold it in front of them like a banner. When I inquire a bit deeper their views are often a bit more reasonable, it just feels like average boomers wanting to be cool by flaunting their ignorance, as weird as this sounds.
Yeah it feels like most right wing people are more progressive than they think.
I’m not from the U.S. but everytime I talk with a conservative we agree on a lot of things once they stop talking with slogans
That’s my experience too. Often when I talk to people they have pretty moderate or left-leaning views that would fit well in any of our more left-leaning parties. However the majority of them still votes for our biggest conservative party, which openly promises and does the opposite of what they claim they would want in a conversation. Frustrating.
The documentary Behind the Curve explores this idea a bit. It follows die hard flat earthers around their daily lives to get to know them a bit more.
There’s a running theme throughout the movie that these people weren’t very happy with their lives prior to becoming flat earthers. Joining the “movement” gave them instant friends and a sense of direction. There’s subtle hints now and again that most don’t actually believe the Earth is flat, but they feel like “coming out” would ruin their reputation with their new community.
I get the sense that a lot of right wingers feel the same.
and the reason we don’t hear much about flat earth any more is because most of them moved on… to QAnon.
People I work with are infinitely suspicious of the wildfires. They say shit like, “Hmm, isn’t it odd they all started around the same time?”
Yes, Jeffrey, that’s how wildfires work. Entire biomes burn to the ground if the conditions are hot and dry for long enough.
Yeah, there’s a “Trudeau started the wildfires as an excuse for carbon taxes” narrative that is insanely popular among the Canadian right wing.
I’ve even seen some “15 Minute Cities” theorists claiming the fires are being lit in order to “drive people into the liberal cities so the government can control them”.
It’s just entirely divorced from reality.
Some 15 minute cities critics really make me laugh when they fail to realise the area they live in is already a “15 minute city” with a school, grocery store and library a stone’s throw away, no car or bicycle needed
The world is burning down around us and these clowns would sooner burn with it than admit there’s anything wrong…
There will come point where they have no choice but to admit something is wrong, no matter how much try to ignore it.
I hope you’re right. It would still be to late but to hear them admit guilt / denial would be astonishing.
I kind of gave up trying to convince my family that this isn’t healthy, especially my high risk family members. I don’t get why they just don’t seem to care, especially the ones with major health problems.
Same … it’s clear that attempting to convince my own family is just as effective as speaking to a charcuterie board. Want to breathe the smoke? Fine, go ham. I’m fresh out of pity for the science deniers.
But that’s the thing, the people in my family refusing to take precautions have health issues and use science when it keeps them alive! Like, which is it???
I’m 38 with good breathing but I have multiple sclerosis. Wildfires make it so I’m unable to move my legs or do much of anything. It’s real and some people are idiots.
I effectively grew out of my mild asthma when I was younger (especially as I stopped being around cigarette smoke), so I had a bit of a panic when I had symptoms for the first time in 10 years last Tuesday before I learned why it looked like a doom map outside…
I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that breathing particulate matter into your lungs isn’t a good thing… A child should be able to understand this. My 10 and 12 year old INSTINCTIVELY understood this… they pulled their shirts up over their nose on their own when we woke up and went outside on the first bad day.
I don’t get this weird need to be contrary to everything, doesn’t it get exhausting?
Not for the rich oil tycoons. But yeah, for the brain washed masses it must be exhausting. But I think that only furthers their rage and obstinence. They’ed rather that than admin they’ve been fooled or used.
#NotTheOnion
Right wingers and being wrong, how surprising
I mean, to me (in the DC area, so not nearly as bad as it was further north) it just smelled like a campfire outside to me. It wasn’t a particularly offensive smell.
But I could FEEL that the air quality was bad every time I took a breath, and I don’t have any kinds of respiratory issues.
Ok, if you were further away it could have smelled different. Up here in NY it smelled like burning trash and plastic and chemicals. It was horrible. I was referring to people who live in the same small town as I do, so they had to smell the same thing.
To be clear I’m not downplaying how terrible it must have smelled in more heavily effected areas; I didn’t mean to come across as doing so.
These people just have an all encompassing need to be contrarian. But if they wanna go and frolick in the aqi 500 air be my guest.
Yes… I like it when problems are somewhat self-correcting. If only it were even more so… can we get them to think anthrax is good for them?
anthrax is good! because, because…
They are basically living out “Don’t Look Up”.
Think of all the jobs the wildfires will create!
You don’t need a high level of education to know you shouldn’t inject bleach into your system to kill COVID-19, and yet people died listening to Trump’s suggestion.
“people died listening to Trump’s suggestion” is undoubtedly true, but are there any documented cases of someone actually injecting bleach, much less that leading to their death?
I can’t find the article anymore because it was back in 2020 when I read it but a woman claimed her father injested bleach after seeing Trump’s press conference and died from it. The only articles I find now are upticks in poisonings. Maybe it was debunked since then?
canadian govt really needs a more active forest service - letting it get out of hand like this is a bit ridiculous.
It’s a rock and a hard place situation. One of the reasons the fires are so bad now is that for many years much effort was put into preventing fires. It allows a lot of fuel to build up, so that when the fire finally gets too big to handle it’s got a huge reserve to burn through. We may have to endure a few years of huge fires to get back down to the usual background level.
Yeah, Canada needs to get this under control. I sat in traffic for an hour this week to get to the beach and then when I got there… the air was full of smoke! What a waste. US politicians need to take a hardline on the Canadians here.
Canada has an absolutely massive forest service as well as an insanely large forestry industry overall. They’re better equipped to deal with this sort of thing than pretty much anyone else in the world. Once you reach this magnitude of crown fire there’s really very little you can do.
They’ll spend millions of dollars dumping water from choppers and planes, pushing in firebreaks that won’t hold it - there’s really nothing left to do at this stage but get out of the way. You can’t hose a crown fire out, people on the ground are just risking their lives.
Firebreaks are ineffective because this thing is causing spotfires miles and miles ahead of the front.
Are we ready to take climate change seriously? If not, this is your life every summer from now on.
Signed, a wildland firefighter and forest worker from Australia.
I’ve been coughing a lot, while working outside the last few days. I’m in Ohio, and it doesn’t look particularly dusty or smoky, but my lungs can sure feel it.
I’ve also been seeing so many comments on news posts about the fire talking about how they are intentional fires.
I don’t understand how these people are allowed to spread such misinformation 😔
Wasn’t really too long ago that smoking cigarettes was marketed as good for you.
