I am not from US, so I don’t know what the $12/hr is supposed to be. So I went on to check the minimum wage, apparently the federal minimum is $7.25/hr but can be higher per state. OK, but oh boy I found some American-style shit:
The minimum wage for employees who receive tips is $2.13 per hour. The amount of tips plus the $2.13 must reach at least $7.25 per hour. If not, your employer must pay to make up the difference.
The fuck are you calling a “tip” at this point if it just becomes part of the wage and a way for the employer to save some money??
Here’s the source: https://www.usa.gov/minimum-wage
I did not pull it out my ass, although it’s clearly been pulled out of some.
Dec 3 (Reuters) - The Biden administration on Tuesday unveiled a last-minute proposal to eliminate employers’ ability to pay less than the minimum wage to certain workers with disabilities.
Now for some awful statistics:
About half of workers earn less than $3.50 per hour, and about 10% are paid $1 an hour or less, according to DOL.
Yeah the American tipping system is famously bad. At some restaurants people can really make a lot of money on tips. Some of them people make nearly nothing and really suffer. Most of them people get by and their employer takes it to the bank.
At some restaurants people can really make a lot of money on tips
And at some restaurants the hot yet ditsy server in a miniskirt can really make a lot of money on tips while being slow and getting my order wrong. Meanwhile the person hustling with my food, the person redoing the order the server screwed up do a lot more work to provide good service yet get nothing
American obsession with tips is second only to our obsession with making sure it’s super easy to get guns. It’s culturally embedded that tipping is a good thing which is exactly what all these employers want people to think as they continue to underpay.
It hasn’t been this for most of my life. Tipping is an essentially mandated addition to a few specific job types to get basic service and to replace practically non-existent wages (and to overpay in relation to their peers)
I pay tips to get served at all, and to keep my food from being tampered with.
I willingly paid higher tips during pandemic to the people risking their health in customer facing jobs. However I object to the new normal of 20%+, I object to tips being added automatically, I object to required tips before any service, and I object to so many more jobs demanding tips. I especially object to being charged tips on self-service.
Nah, strong disagree here. There’s no ifs. Systems this broken should be replaced not nurtured.
Your attitude is a pervasive on in the states though. The idea of not tipping is viewed somehow as elitist or greedy. I participate in the practice as a member of society, short of massively organized protest type actions, the only way change comes here is legislative, but that’s like hoping for better gun laws. One off individual refusals to tip accomplish nothing, but doing some education is a move in the right direction.
As a very easy to read intro, but there is lots written on this. Don’t forget the tipping culture in the US is pretty unique. While present elsewhere the dependance on tipping as income is a pretty rare thing - it’s not a brave wild experiment to try to do away with it. With appropriate legislation workers would only benefit.
In Europe it works well. Sometimes I don’t get any tips and it’s absolutely fine, some other times I get invited for a drink or even food, some other times I just get some money (tips are called “Trinkgeld” in German, “drinking money”, which accurately reflects their purpose). It’s not part of my wage, I’m getting paid properly, it’s just something on top of it (and when I get tips, I get to keep 100% - it’s money specifically for my enjoyment as a way of thanking me for bringing others enjoyment).
The tipping culture you have in the USA can’t really be considered a tipping culture, it’s just that customers are paying the workers’ wages. And you even force people to tip instead of reserving it for good service. I absolutely don’t support this way of tipping.
Tipping is part of the US meta-shit-culture that is really just we are a business-supporting country that happens to have citizens in it.
Instead of paying restaurant and service workers, have the customer pay via tipping!
Instead of having social programs, our corpo media promotes “charity” and GoFundMe stories so we can all feel personally guilty/responsible for taking care of each other for medical expenses or any life altering event
Instead of the rich or corpos paying taxes, they’ll just raise ours
Every new thing created, be it a service or an object or whatever, starts out as a thing, and then within a few years, there are fees upon fees and services upon services inserted in between due to lack of regulations.
Gotta buy a car at a dealer, gotta pay dealer fees, gotta pay license and registration, get tricked into extended warranty, gotta pay for parts, gotta pay for software services in the car.
Want Internet? Gotta pay the one company available in the area, they then charge for the modem, they charge all the taxes they are taxed and pass onto you, they create bogus billing fees that are just so they can advertise one price and charge another, and that another price will change frequently.
Want a doctor’s visit? Well we’ve inserted your insurance company, medical billing department, webs of codes that have various prices for the same drug or procedure, third party insurances tacked on, billing rules that might be calendar year or not, requirements that you can only choose to change your insurance once a year, “tax free” payment methods like HSA/FSA that have certain requirements around them, only allowing certain types of procedures under certain conditions for insurance to allow them, billing most preventative things as “diagnostic” even when they’re to prevent things like steep medical bills in the future which is the very definition of preventative.
United States culture is a country by the Corpo, for the Corpo, with we dregs doing all the work for them and everything is 60 steps so you’re too busy to realize it.
US minimum wage and tipping culture is awful, but in this case I think they’re more referring to “the missing middle class”. We’ve lost a lot of decently paid middle class jobs, such as skilled manufacturing, and many of the replacements are much lower paid service and gig work.
I am not from US, so I don’t know what the $12/hr is supposed to be. So I went on to check the minimum wage, apparently the federal minimum is $7.25/hr but can be higher per state. OK, but oh boy I found some American-style shit:
The fuck are you calling a “tip” at this point if it just becomes part of the wage and a way for the employer to save some money??
Here’s the source: https://www.usa.gov/minimum-wage
I did not pull it out my ass, although it’s clearly been pulled out of some.
Also, if you’re mentally disabled, your employer is allowed to pay you less than minimum wage.
USA, whee
Maybe there’s some hope: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-labor-department-proposes-nixing-sub-minimum-wage-disabled-workers-2024-12-03/
Now for some awful statistics:
That 10%… you can’t even call that pocket money.
Yeah the American tipping system is famously bad. At some restaurants people can really make a lot of money on tips. Some of them people make nearly nothing and really suffer. Most of them people get by and their employer takes it to the bank.
And at some restaurants the hot yet ditsy server in a miniskirt can really make a lot of money on tips while being slow and getting my order wrong. Meanwhile the person hustling with my food, the person redoing the order the server screwed up do a lot more work to provide good service yet get nothing
The fact that the US minimum wage laws are so abhorrent that you felt the need to cite your source is tragically comedic.
American obsession with tips is second only to our obsession with making sure it’s super easy to get guns. It’s culturally embedded that tipping is a good thing which is exactly what all these employers want people to think as they continue to underpay.
Tipping is a good thing. It’s a way to reward good work.
But they only work if they’re not mandatory and we can keep 100% of it
It hasn’t been this for most of my life. Tipping is an essentially mandated addition to a few specific job types to get basic service and to replace practically non-existent wages (and to overpay in relation to their peers)
I pay tips to get served at all, and to keep my food from being tampered with.
I willingly paid higher tips during pandemic to the people risking their health in customer facing jobs. However I object to the new normal of 20%+, I object to tips being added automatically, I object to required tips before any service, and I object to so many more jobs demanding tips. I especially object to being charged tips on self-service.
Nah, strong disagree here. There’s no ifs. Systems this broken should be replaced not nurtured. Your attitude is a pervasive on in the states though. The idea of not tipping is viewed somehow as elitist or greedy. I participate in the practice as a member of society, short of massively organized protest type actions, the only way change comes here is legislative, but that’s like hoping for better gun laws. One off individual refusals to tip accomplish nothing, but doing some education is a move in the right direction.
See https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abolish-tipping_n_5991796
As a very easy to read intro, but there is lots written on this. Don’t forget the tipping culture in the US is pretty unique. While present elsewhere the dependance on tipping as income is a pretty rare thing - it’s not a brave wild experiment to try to do away with it. With appropriate legislation workers would only benefit.
In Europe it works well. Sometimes I don’t get any tips and it’s absolutely fine, some other times I get invited for a drink or even food, some other times I just get some money (tips are called “Trinkgeld” in German, “drinking money”, which accurately reflects their purpose). It’s not part of my wage, I’m getting paid properly, it’s just something on top of it (and when I get tips, I get to keep 100% - it’s money specifically for my enjoyment as a way of thanking me for bringing others enjoyment).
The tipping culture you have in the USA can’t really be considered a tipping culture, it’s just that customers are paying the workers’ wages. And you even force people to tip instead of reserving it for good service. I absolutely don’t support this way of tipping.
Tipping is part of the US meta-shit-culture that is really just we are a business-supporting country that happens to have citizens in it.
United States culture is a country by the Corpo, for the Corpo, with we dregs doing all the work for them and everything is 60 steps so you’re too busy to realize it.
US minimum wage and tipping culture is awful, but in this case I think they’re more referring to “the missing middle class”. We’ve lost a lot of decently paid middle class jobs, such as skilled manufacturing, and many of the replacements are much lower paid service and gig work.