• Cosmoooooooo@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Good. They’re overpopulated and under-developed.

    Why the fuck are people worried about this? This is a great thing. Good for them, keeping their population under conrtol.

    Someone tell India.

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      7 months ago

      I think it’s the “economy”. We’ve set up systems where the young pay out the older people. At least that’s my uneducated understanding of the situation.

      However what’s funny is that the economy under China (and most places in the world) is why people aren’t having kids now. It’s probably done more de-population than the one child policy.

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        Capitalism expects infinite growth, which is impossible and unsustainable.

        It’s time for a new system. Feels like that time is now as it appears capitalism is slowly collapsing on itself.

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        I think it boils down to you need a lot of kids to run a farm due to the manual labor demands. You don’t need a lot of kids to work in a factory or office.

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        economy definately has a major role in it. similar to a lot of western nations, there is a growing number of educated chinese people who have education in a market that isnt hiring enough for the roles that they acquired skills for. the lack of having enough higher paying jobs puts off people from having children, in particular for people who have higher education, as they are more aware of the costs attached to children.

        it all boils down to not enough people on the lower 90% have enough funds to think about having children to support the (unsustainable) social security countries often have.

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          It’s not even necessarily this, but that raising a successful child in China is obscenely expensive. There’s only so many spots at Tsinghua/Beida. China has prided itself on its upwards economic mobility, but cultural pressures from that economic mobility are unsustainable.

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    7 months ago

    Clearly not harming China’s economy. China saw +7.2% consumer sales, +5.9% infrastructure, +6.5% manufacturing, and was dragged down by -9.6% real estate. Those growth numbers are absurd.

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      That is a meaningless statement to make without a point of comparison. How do you know it wouldn’t be higher if the population was growing.

      Also yeah, that’s to be expected, the economic harm comes in the long term.

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        The average restaurant lifespan is like 3 years, and malls are emptying around the world because of the rise of ecommerce. These are anecdotes that hold both in good economic conditions and in bad economic conditions. China’s going through a bit of an D2C ecommerce revolution with Douyin (274B USD in the first 10 months of 2023, growing 60% YoY) and others. For reference, Amazon’s sales from their ecommerce platform is around 350B USD for 2023, and its definitely not growing 60% YoY.

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        We put ourselves down the path of endless speculation and jumping at shadows if we just automatically assume any and all data provided by China is outright falsehoods. There are people in China employed to track these statistics and there is material benefits to having these statistics available to the public. There’s even incentive for this information to be true.

        If the information simply coming from China is enough to dismiss them as China spreading their agenda, then the same could earnestly be argued for any other country on Earth. This kind of logic is the same logic QAnon types use to immediately dismiss evidence.

        “The vaccine is causing people to die in huge numbers. What do you mean you disagree? I’ve seen it, and my family has seen it. Those statistics saying otherwise? Let me guess, they’re provided by the vaccine companies?”